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To: Kolokotronis; jo kus; Forest Keeper; Agrarian
Re: filioque

Patristic teaching does not contradict Catholic teaching of the filioque. St. Gregory of Sinai states that the Spirit proceeds from the father throughin real time, for instance. And St. Gregory Palamas says "Yet the Spirit belongs also to the the Son, who receives Him form the Father" and "The pre-eternal rejoicing of the Father and the Son is the Holy Spirit who, as I said, is common to both which explains why He is sent from both..."

St. Gregory Palamas then takes this one step further: "Yet the Spirit has His existence from the Father alone, and hence He proceeds as regards His existence only from the Father."

Thus, this is the bototm-line on the procession of the Spirit, and this is why the Creed insists on the (eternal) procession being only from the Father, and why St. Photios insisted filioque was/is wrong as regards Spirit's existence.

Its not the Holy Spirit, or uncreated Divine Energies which changes the bread and wine into the Body and Blood, but rather by the words of the priest

Yes, that is a good ovservation, but we must caution not to confuse the Holy Spirit with uncreated energies of God.

7,204 posted on 05/25/2006 7:40:49 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Yes, that is a good ovservation, but we must caution not to confuse the Holy Spirit with uncreated energies of God.

I think I am beginning to understand your point of view regarding "uncreated energy". We would say that BOTH are present - the Spirit HIMSELF and His energy (grace). It sounds like you see this energy as the mediator between the Transcendant God and man. Would that make the Incarnation an "uncreated energy"?

Regards

7,206 posted on 05/25/2006 8:07:49 PM PDT by jo kus (For love is of God; and everyone that loves is born of God, and knows God. 1Jn 4:7)
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