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To: Full Court; kosta50; annalex; Nihil Obstat
Alright ladies and gentlemen, or whichever you are. Let's take a look at the FACT concerning martial intercourse between Mary and Joseph.

First of all, it seems you all believe that Mary just couldn't of had sex because that would of made her somehow sinful.

Catholics don't believe that marriage or sexual intercourse within marriage is sinful. There are plenty of writings from post-Vatican 2 that express this. Pope John Paul 2 was very adamant about this. We don't see Mary as having sex with Joseph because the early Church didn't believe it. It has nothing to do with sex being "sinful"! Scripture is silent on the issue.

Again, we are not discussing anything about "knowing" someone, but the term "till". It does NOT mean anything about the future. It only discounts sexual activity up to that point. You presume that because a 20th century marriage must include sex, you think that Mary and Joseph had sex. The Scriptures do not make that claim.

Your logic is again faulty. You think that because marriage normally includes sex, and that the Bible talks about sex so much, then Mary and Joseph must have had sex. You are forgetting that with Jesus, we see a new manner of God's actions. First of all, before Christ, EVERY person was born to a man and a woman. Was this the case with Christ? Thus, you logic fails on this issue. When we are speaking about Christ and Christ's mother, we have entered a new way of God's action among men.

Especially when the tradition is at COMPLETE ODDS with God himself!

WOW! "Full Court's interpretation" = the "Word of God"! I never would have guessed it. What arrogance and pride!

Through belief and faith in Christ alone, you can be free of the bondage of a false belief, one that denies the complete power of Christ, and gives his intecessory powers to a mere human being.

Bondage? It is a GREAT comfort to know that other people are praying for me - IN HEAVEN - to include Christ's Mother, Mary. I think it is wonderful that God has allowed His Creation to partake in His Divine Nature and allows men to love other men and pray for them (or woman). We don't stand before God as a disconnected individual. We stand before God as a community of people. This is quite clear from Scriptures. Unfortunately, you are in bondage by stripping the Community from Christianity.

Ma'am, I think you need to broaden your narrow view of Christianity.

Regards

6,724 posted on 05/16/2006 6:37:00 AM PDT by jo kus (For love is of God; and everyone that loves is born of God, and knows God. 1Jn 4:7)
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To: jo kus; Full Court; kosta50; annalex; Nihil Obstat
We stand before God as a community of people

The ultimate revelation we have from Christ is that God is one but never alone. The Holy Trinity is an eternal loving community of Persons in one Essence that we are supposed to emulate on earth, rather than self-love that is the hallmark of human nature. (cf Mat 5:48)

6,772 posted on 05/16/2006 2:42:48 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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