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To: Full Court; kosta50; annalex
"Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child til (unto) the day of her death." 2 Sam 6:23

According to your logic, Michal delivered a child AFTER she died... Are you going to continue using "til" in refering to the future, you better be consistent.

Please. Let's not push this ridiculous assertion that Mary had sex with Joseph any longer. The Bible doesn't make that claim, you do.

And here I thought you were an advocate of Sola Scriptura... Why are you going on about something NOT in the Scriptura?

Regards

6,652 posted on 05/15/2006 10:44:41 AM PDT by jo kus (For love is of God; and everyone that loves is born of God, and knows God. 1Jn 4:7)
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To: jo kus; Full Court
"Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child til (unto) the day of her death." 2 Sam 6:23

Women don't die in childbirth?

6,664 posted on 05/15/2006 11:45:38 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: jo kus; Full Court; kosta50; annalex; Nihil Obstat
Alright ladies and gentlemen, or whichever you are. Let's take a look at the FACT concerning martial intercourse between Mary and Joseph.

First of all, it seems you all believe that Mary just couldn't of had sex because that would of made her somehow sinful.

May I remind you that God himself says that the marriage bed is undefiled?

Hebrews 13:4
 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

BUT, when and if Mary was married AND withheld sex, THAT would of definitely been sinful!!

1 Corinthians 7:5
 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Now, let's address the most important issue, the fact that the Word of God does say that Mary and Joseph enjoyed an intimate martial relationship.

Each time the phrase "knew her" is used by God, it plainly means sexual intercourse,
whether it happened,
or whether it did not happen,
or when it happened.

Genesis 38:26
 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.

(He'd has sex with her once, but not again.)

Judges 19:25
 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

(They had sex with her many times.)

1 Kings 1:4  
And the damsel was very fair, and cherished the king, and ministered to him: but the king knew her not.

(They didn't have sex at all.)

Matthew 1:25
 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

(They didn't have sex until after Jesus was born, signifying his virgin BIRTH, which was prophetic.)

Now, you see how every easy it is to understand just what God is saying?

You don't have to turn to "Fr." so and so at EWTN or be told what to believe by some vain tradition! Especially when the tradition is at COMPLETE ODDS with God himself!

Through belief and faith in Christ alone, you can be free of the bondage of a false belief, one that denies the complete power of Christ, and gives his intecessory powers to a mere human being.

Think of how you have been betrayed by a false system that would tie your soul to Hell, and consider the freedom found in Jesus Christ.

John 8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

6,692 posted on 05/15/2006 8:39:41 PM PDT by Full Court (click on my name to see the baby!!)
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