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To: monkfan

No charade. Good works are the result of faith, not something we do to earn it.

Christ's redemption cannot be bartered.


6,344 posted on 05/11/2006 11:06:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Christ's redemption cannot be bartered.

Let's do something different. Let's restrict ourselves to arguing points that have actually been made. Like the point you made in post #6336; "faith without works is not faith", a point with which I concurrered.

For the sake of clarity, I would add that the afformentioned statement relies on an unspoken premise that there are two kinds of faith being discussed: a dead one and a saving one. The latter produces good works. Lack of good works can be taken as an indicator that a person's faith is dead. Hence, faith without works is dead. Put differently, faith alone is dead.

You said, "Good works are the result of faith, not something we do to earn it [sic]." I presume that by "it", you actually meant "salvation". If so, I agree with that as well. However, that is not the same as faith alone. A faith that produces no works is faith alone. Now, I suspect that your intention here is to agrue that it is the faith (and only the faith) that saves and that good works is just a byproduct. For the sake of the current argument, let's say that is true. All this does is create a distiction with no appreciable difference. Either way, when all is said and done, the saved will have done good works. In short, the saved have faith AND good works, not just faith alone.

6,383 posted on 05/12/2006 10:21:50 AM PDT by monkfan (rediscover communication)
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