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To: HarleyD
I'm sorry, I still don't see it. I think this is an accurate condensation of your reply:

birthgiver [of God]… includes all the responsibilities motherhood implies… "Mother of God" implies Mary is was so much more than just a birth and care giver.

I think this is still contradictory. Don't you? Or have I changed the meaning of your reply in condensing it?

6,228 posted on 05/11/2006 4:05:55 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
I think this is still contradictory. Don't you?

No, there is nothing at all about my statement being contradictory. If Mary was a "birthgiver of God" it implies that Mary, though devout as she was, was nothing more than a vessel serving the Lord. She was still, as we all are, a frail human subject to her corruptable nature. Not to minimize the event but she was simply the birthgiver of our Lord for which she will evermore be bless.

Mary, as "MOTHER of God" and as the term is used, implies she was sinless, contradicting Romans 3:23 where all have sinned. This is the current belief of the Church. Mary is more than a birthgiver. She is sinless perfection and had to be in order to give birth to the Christ and had to remain that way until her death. What's more is that she had to take a vow of never having to have relationships with anyone.

This is far more than "birthgiver of God" and it is this second belief that contradicts what the inspired scriptures plainly state and shows up nowhere in the early traditional beliefs of the Church until many centuries later (something that seems untracible). But who cares what scripture plainly states when we have tradition-as quasi as it may be?

6,235 posted on 05/11/2006 6:06:16 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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