[1000 silverlings]

The simple fact is that those Jews who believe in the Messiah are now Christians. There are not some quasi-Christian/Jew thing contrary to popular "dual" theology nonsense.

Very insightful and absolutely correct. I too do not understand the disconnect that some here have between the old and the new testament, nor do I understand where some statements come from, just blithely stated as facts.-- There is one bible, with one theology. The Plan of Salvation is the one theme that makes it a seamless book, a seamless theology and a seamless religion.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The Plan of Salvation is the one theme that makes it a seamless book, a seamless theology and a seamless religion.

Amen. Knowing that makes all of life more understandable.

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure" -- Isaiah 46:10

"Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. -- Acts 15:18

"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ" -- Ephesians 3:9

"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" -- 2 Thessalonians 2:13

[HarleyD]

The sad thing is, in defense of the Catholic and Orthodox Church (did I say that), is that their tradition shows a rich history of believing that we are descendants of Abraham. It's only been in the last 150 years this goofy belief has sprung up in all Churches/churches. Even the Pope is caught up with it.

So much for traditions. Just chuck them out the window when no one's looking.