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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus
Do you believe that the story of the flood is a fable?

It's irrelevant, because the biblical account of it has a message and that message says that God repented (KJV), or was "sorry" (NAS, NKJV), was "grieved" (NIV), that God "took it to heart" (LXX), that He had made people who "turned out" wicked! Surprise, surprise! According to you, they didn't turn out wicked by themselves, by rejecting God, but because God ordained it so!

If you believe that, then why was He angry with wicked men -- they turned out exactly as He ordianed them to be! Where is their fault? They are just passive "tools" and fools in your vision of God's creation.

[In addition to wicked men, Genesis 6:6 states that God decided to destroy all innocent animal life as well. I wouldn't call that kind.]

I believe this rather than believe that it was man who chose to kill God against His will

Man didn't "choose" to kill God. Christ's sacrifice was voluntary and out of love for the wicked mankind. Christ came to redeem what we spoiled, to heal what we wounded, to rebuild what we destroyed, to save what was lost through our rejection of God.

If it is none of our doing, if it it is not because of our digression against God's will, than Christ's sacrifice is not done for our fall but for His own sake and glory.

5,132 posted on 04/26/2006 3:38:40 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; jo kus
If you believe that, then why was He angry with wicked men -- they turned out exactly as He ordianed them to be! Where is their fault?

All people turn out just as God has made them unless you don't believe that God has made us so. This is the path to Open Theism-the belief that God doesn't know the choices of men.

If it is none of our doing, if it it is not because of our digression against God's will, than Christ's sacrifice is not done for our fall but for His own sake and glory.

Man was certainly culpable but it was preordained by God the Father.

5,137 posted on 04/26/2006 5:48:28 AM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48)
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To: kosta50; jo kus; HarleyD
[On whether the flood actually happened:] It's irrelevant, because the biblical account of it has a message and that message says that God repented (KJV), or was "sorry" (NAS, NKJV), was "grieved" (NIV), that God "took it to heart" (LXX), that He had made people who "turned out" wicked!

In your belief, when God sins like this, to whom does He confess? :)

If you believe that, then why was He angry with wicked men -- they turned out exactly as He ordained them to be! Where is their fault? They are just passive "tools" and fools in your vision of God's creation.

They weren't just passive tools, they were very active tools, and responsible for their own sins. If we remain in the state of our birth, then we will be wicked. God has every right to be angry, because He is not the author of sin. Men (and satan) are.

[In addition to wicked men, Genesis 6:6 states that God decided to destroy all innocent animal life as well. I wouldn't call that kind.]

Perhaps you would like an apology? :) Besides, cats always have it coming to them anyway.

5,176 posted on 04/26/2006 10:28:24 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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