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To: P-Marlowe
Did not Jesus pick Judas for just that purpose? Had Jesus not chosen Judas, Judas would not have been in a position to betray him, would he? If Jesus had not intended to send Judas to hell from the very moment he laid eyes on him, then Jesus did not know the future and he did not know His purpose.

You are confusing knowledge of an event with arranging an event.

If I see my daughter playing with matches, I know what will happen. Did I arrange for her to do that? It doesn't follow that my foreknowledge was the cause of her actions. And thus with Judas. If God sees time as one now, then He knew that Judas would betray the Lord and could see this into His plan of salvation for mankind

Regards

484 posted on 01/05/2006 9:43:11 PM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus; annalex; Cronos; kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dahlseide
You are confusing knowledge of an event with arranging an event.

No I'm not. If I am omniscient and I know that if I put you in a position in which you will certainly commit a grievous sin that will send you to hell forever, and I deliberately put you in that position, then there is an active element involved. In other words by my foreknowledge and my own actions in light of that foreknowledge, I am actually and literally arranging for that particular sin to take place.

I am not a Calvinist, but I do not think there is any way of escaping the fact that Judas was specifically chosen for the purpose of betraying the Lord. It was his eternal destiny.

That is pretty scary stuff. But the truth of it cannot be denied.

489 posted on 01/05/2006 9:52:16 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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