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To: annalex
[On 1 Timothy 2:5] Once again, your prooftexting is out of context. Surely Our Lady did not gave herself in redemption, nor in testimony. I know that. She mediates to Christ Who mediates to God the Father. And not she alone, I have attachment to many saints; I spoke of my attachment to St. Francis for example on this thread. I ask them to pray for me and I pray for others too. This is how the Communion of Saints operates.

Yes, my prooftexting is completely out of context with extra-scriptural tradition. So when the verse says "one mediator of God and men" it doesn't mean there is only one mediator between God and men at all, it means that there is only one FINAL mediator to God. The Catholic view appears to be that this verse means that in between men and God there are thousands of mediators who all report to Christ, who then passes along the messages to God the Father. I have to admit, not in a million years would I have come to that conclusion by just reading the words in only the context of other scripture.

4,596 posted on 04/11/2006 4:17:18 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper

It is a completely natural way to read 1 Timothy 2 in the context of a strictly hierarchical, yet unconcerned with social class church described in the letter. If St. Paul meant his comment to be directed against all human mediation he would not be instructing about the role of women, neophytes, deacons, and bishops, where the latter group has responsibilities for the former. You insert into that passage the preference for a flat ecclesiastical structure of late Reformation, while its intent is to explain that both kings and plain folk have one God the Father and one Christ, and therefore cannot claim social privilege. I do not need anything not contained in the letter to see that.


4,598 posted on 04/11/2006 4:33:48 PM PDT by annalex
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