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To: HarleyD; kosta50; Forest Keeper; Cronos; jo kus; annalex

" God knows all men will never be saved. That is the way He knowingly created the situation. Free will or no free will."

So men, or rather at least some of them were created for damnation? HD, does this not then require a belief that God is the author of evil?


454 posted on 01/05/2006 6:17:55 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...

An infamous question from the pit; quite similar "if you are the Son of God, jump for His angels will catch you.”

So my answer to the tenor of your rhetorical question is NO.

First of all God establishes right & wrong for His creation.
Second God will not be taught morality by the created.
Third read Job 4:17; Job 40:8;
Fourth read James 1:13;
Fifth read Rom 9
The above all helped me.


Then from a personnel point of view when the same question flits through my mind I answer as Luther did with the aid of 3 lights; the light of nature, the light of grace, & the light of glory. The question falls under the light of nature sans the other two lights. Adding the light of grace does not answer the apparent fact that an all loving, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God would cause/let/allow/pick-your-favorite-word that some go to hell for eternity, but it does yield the confidence, not the answer,that one under its light will continue to trust & obey as God gives a measure of grace.

The answer might be found under the light of glory – don’t know; I doubt it though because that would make me close to knowing too much.

But men have thought to answer the question in order to get God off the hook. They do that contrary to scripture by removing God from His sovereignty in salvation; that by announcing that man has free will and thus making him ultimately his own savior.

But does that help under the light of nature. No, then you have an all loving, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God, holding back & not saving everyone – like letting your rebellious son play in the middle of a freeway when you had all you needed to keep him from being killed. I advise against worshipping at the alter of free will.

Bottom line; you have simply made yourself more righteous than God - I wouldn’t do such a thing, or I wouldn’t believe in a God who would … As for the first “wouldn’t” been there done that myself, finally quit asking. You should do the same. If you do not, face up to the simile & then tell me you are comfortable with a straight face.

Man under the light of nature only has many other ways to get God off the hook including limiting the omni’s; restoration of all things –universal salvation … too many to know or mention.


467 posted on 01/05/2006 8:34:40 PM PST by Dahlseide (TULIP)
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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50; Forest Keeper; Cronos; jo kus; annalex
So men, or rather at least some of them were created for damnation?

You tell me.

HD, does this not then require a belief that God is the author of evil?

The Lord God the Father decides what will take place. Not you and certainly not me. He decided to smite His only Son for His glory. He used man to do that predestined from the dawn of time. Although it was God's decision and God's plan God did not carry out the deed.

Would you say that God's plan for killing His only Son makes God the author of evil?

510 posted on 01/06/2006 4:25:37 AM PST by HarleyD ("Command what you will and give what you command." - Augustine's Prayer)
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