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To: kosta50
Everything He made, including us, was made good, if I remember my Scripture. The error had to come from somewhere -- I would say it was us by abusing our freedom, which you deny so in your case it is something God "ordained."

When God made Adam and Eve it was good, but is there scripture to say that when He made the rest of us we were good? Obviously this goes to our honest differences as to the nature of man at birth. -- I would say that the error came from man's choosing to sin AND that God ordained our nature to be so.

Unless, of course, you believe that you are without a flaw and we are full of them.

I have a flaw. :)

The two [science and faith] are not "miscible."

I don't agree that the two must be mutually exclusive, in context. Why should Christianity be "afraid" of science? If God created what we call science for us as a gift, then how could it interfere with scripture? God created both.

4,463 posted on 04/07/2006 10:40:29 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
When God made Adam and Eve it was good, but is there scripture to say that when He made the rest of us we were good?

Yes, He made us capable of good by inscribing His laws in our hearts. If we follow His laws, we will do His will. But we have to follow His laws willingly and freely. He is the Light, the Truth and the Way, but we have a choice to follow that Light, believe in that Truth and stay on that Way. He doesn't compel; we choose to.

It's like a train. Once on them, the rails leave very little wiggle room. But once on the rails, the train will follow with certitude and reach the destination (but remember a train can still get derailed!). When we are born, we are born off the track, stuck, going nowhere. The good news is: God gave us a chance to jump on His track and follow Him. He offers, but He won't make that jump for us.

4,466 posted on 04/08/2006 5:52:08 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper
I don't agree that the two must be mutually exclusive, in context

They are by their nature: one is of human and the other of divine origin. Science is a product of our mind; faith is a product of God. Science can only reveal that which is of this world. Science cannot prove or disprove God. He is not subject to scientific method or experiment.

Why should Christianity be "afraid" of science?

There is absolutely no reason to be afraid of science. To the contrary. Science shows us how incredible is the Creation. It also shows us how different we are from God: for what we see in nature is something we could never design, or make. It truly brings home the verse that our ways are not God's ways and our thoughts are not His thoughts. (cf Isa 55:8)

The world is a painting that tells us a lot about the Artist. It is a building that tells us a lot about the Architect.

4,468 posted on 04/08/2006 6:18:50 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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