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To: jo kus
Me: It would lead me to wonder to myself if the original salvation was genuine.

That very concept refutes the whole idea of "absolute assurance" of salvation.

I thought I would get tagged on that one. :) I was speaking as a third party, and I know that I am not supposed to pass judgment on anyone else's salvation status. Only the person and God CAN KNOW whether the person is saved.

My idea of absolute assurance is that it is true and knowable, although not all saved people understand this yet. When I was saved I had no detailed theology behind me beyond the required basics. At that moment I did have assured salvation, but I didn't know it. Later, through sanctification, I came to know the truth that I may have absolute confidence in God's promises concerning salvation.

428 posted on 01/05/2006 11:07:50 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
I was speaking as a third party, and I know that I am not supposed to pass judgment on anyone else's salvation status. Only the person and God CAN KNOW whether the person is saved.

Seriously, do you think ANYONE who believes in the "absolute assurance" of salvation believes that THEY have not been saved, that their "altar call" didn't "stick"? Truly, the whole idea of "absolute assurance" of salvation attempts to place salvation entirely into the hands of the Christian. By pointing to an event in the past, they can "prove" that they are saved, regardless of their future actions. Ironically, "absolute assurance" is a works doctrine! One has 'earned' their salvation, and nothing can take it away!

At that moment I did have assured salvation, but I didn't know it.

With all the mention of perseverance, holding out to the end, ethical exhortations, carrying one's cross, and following the narrow path, do you sense that the Scripture teaches we are saved irrefutably by one event in the past? I believe there is tons of evidence that shows that salvation is a process, rather than a one-time event that ends upon "accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior" - for example, read Matthew 7:21.

Later, through sanctification, I came to know the truth that I may have absolute confidence in God's promises concerning salvation

Salvation doesn't depend on "confidence", but on love. I can have all the faith in the world, even enough to move mountains, but without love, I am nothing - 1 Cor 13:2. You will not join God in heaven without love. Focus on love, brother, and you will have fulfilled the commandment of Christ.

Regards

437 posted on 01/05/2006 12:15:46 PM PST by jo kus
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