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[Rev. Spurgeon imagining an Arminian prayer:] "Lord, I thank thee I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have, they might all have been saved. Lord, I know thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves. Thou givest grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do. There are many that will go to hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Ghost given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not thy grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal, still I turned the point; I made use of what was given me, and others did not-that is the difference between me and them."

Wow, AlbionGirl. This is scary. I have seen all of this on this thread in one form or another. Most of the time, it has been exactly like Spurgeon puts it here. I guess the arguments really don't change all that much over time. Thank you for posting this.

"Lord, I thank thee I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to thee of myself..." (emphasis added for you)

This is scary. I have seen all of this on this thread in one form or another. Most of the time, it has been exactly like Spurgeon puts it here. I guess the arguments really don't change all that much over time. Thank you for posting this.

Thanks for letting us know we have been wasting our time trying to tell you that we don't come to God alone about a thousand times...

If you can't defeat an argument, then belittle the other side and misrepresent their argument, so you can bash the scarecrow all day long and feel good about it. I hope you are feeling better now.

I guess the arguments really don't change all that much over time.

Isn't that a striking truth? We read the arguments here on the religion forum and they're surprisingly similar to debates centuries ago.

Either men are rewarded with salvation according to their works or God gives salvation according to His mercy alone.

"And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them." -- Isaiah 42:16