Now wait a minute. :) Adam's sin causes us to be without something we otherwise would have had through him, right? That thing is Sanctifying Presence, as you say. So, Adam had it and lost it. Therefore, we are not born with it. You do not consider this to be change? I do.
To further discuss, what is necessary for man to do good deeds? God, correct? Well, without God, our nature cannot come to do these things. Thus, again, our nature ITSELF is not sinful - but without the fuel, our car won't move towards God. Christ is our fuel. His presence among us enables us to do the good that He commands us.
I don't see how our nature not being able to come to God by itself equates to it not being sinful. It is sinful, therefore we cannot come to God by ourselves. By ourselves, we do not stand still. Our car does have fuel and actively moves toward sin because it is sinful. If we just chose nothing then there would be no fuel and your analogy might work.
The old will never be GONE until we are in heaven. Paul admits this much in Romans 7.
Not ever completely gone, but nonetheless gone substantially. That is an evidence of salvation and a truly regenerated heart.
Why would the Spirit need to pray for us if "all is finished"?
The Spirit leads us through sanctification and ensures that it happens. The Spirit guides us in prayer and prays for us, especially when we don't even know what to pray for. Without the Spirit we could not persevere.
HOW can a person ASK for forgiveness WITHOUT God, and WHY wouldn't God forgive someone who ASKED for forgiveness. I found this an interesting admission.
A person cannot truly ask for forgiveness without God. However, anyone can say the words "Lord, forgive me", just like they can say "Lord, Lord.". Without God, that is not truly asking for forgiveness and that person will not be forgiven. Of course the Bible teaches that anyone who does ask with God will be forgiven.
Isn't it clear from Scripture that God turns His face from those who turn away from God? I have given you ample Scriptures that detail how God condemns people AFTER they have been "saved", whether Jews or Christians.
Sure God turns away from those who reject Him. However, this comes again to our differences as to what salvation is. I don't think the Jews who died in the desert were ever saved, if they were killed for their transgressions. I do not think their faith was true. They were pretenders. ... Paul correctly reiterates that perseverance is necessary.
God created us good. He said so. But yet, Adam sinned. As a result, we have lost that sanctifying presence that enables man to choose the good. This sanctifying presence is restored upon our regeneration. But all of this is not part of OUR nature. It is God's existence and presence within us. Again, if Christ took on our nature, He took it on in its original configuration as Adam had it.
It is sinful, therefore we cannot come to God by ourselves.
If our nature is sinful, then Christ did not take on a human nature. The Scriptures says that Christ was born sinless. Thus, if human nature = sinfulness, Christ only APPEARD human. This is a teaching of an anti-Christ, as John says.
The Spirit leads us through sanctification and ensures that it happens. The Spirit guides us in prayer and prays for us, especially when we don't even know what to pray for. Without the Spirit we could not persevere.
What does any of that have to do with the Spirit interceding to the Father for us - IF all is "done"?
Without God, that is not truly asking for forgiveness and that person will not be forgiven. Of course the Bible teaches that anyone who does ask with God will be forgiven.
So how do you know you have "truly" asked for forgiveness of sins? Again, you are basing your "salvation" on a human quality - the manner of asking for forgiveness. If it is "true" forgiveness, you're in. If later, after 10 years of thinking you had truly asked forgiveness, and then subsequently fall away, you are told you never had "true" forgiveness...See where this is going? Either you had it or you didn't. Later falling away has NOTHING to do with something you did in your distant past!
I don't think the Jews who died in the desert were ever saved, if they were killed for their transgressions.
Perhaps you should read 1 Cor 10:1-12 again. Paul is using it "as an example"... EVERYONE who crossed the Red Sea had faith in God. They were saved from slavery - which Paul and Peter equates to the spiritual sense. You are approaching Scripture with your mind already made up that people cannot fall away. As a result, you refuse to see what is plainly written.
Paul correctly reiterates that perseverance is necessary.
Perseverence from what? Falling away as the Jews did...
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