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To: Agrarian; Forest Keeper
Forgive me for jumping in, but I think all three of you are going in slightly different directions. In fighting various heresies, the Church established trough Councils that Christ had two natures, one fully Divine and one fully human and that the two did not mix. As such Jesus, the Man, knew of His special blessing but was not acting like Christ the Gd. So, I reject the "inside information" theory of Forest Keeper.

If He suffered pain, He suffered it as man suffers pain, for God feels no pain. If He suffered temptation, He suffered it like we do, for God is not tempted. If He bled, He bled like all humans do, for God does not bleed, and if He died on the Cross, He died as humans die; for God did not die on the Cross.

If He was walking around with the "inside knowledge" then He was more than Adam. Unless He was in every way like us except that He (as fully human without "inside information") chose not to sin but could have sinned according to His human nature, the whole thing was a show.

Trouble is, if He was the Second Adam, where is the parallel? Adam was created with the possibility of being immortal but capable of sin; Jesus was born mortal without the possibility of sin. He had a Father but no mother. Jesus was not created and had a Mother but no Father, so the two are not identical.

4,081 posted on 03/27/2006 3:46:39 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Agrarian; Kolokotronis; HarleyD
In fighting various heresies, the Church established trough Councils that Christ had two natures, one fully Divine and one fully human and that the two did not mix. As such Jesus, the Man, knew of His special blessing but was not acting like Christ the Gd. So, I reject the "inside information" theory of Forest Keeper.

Really, the two did not mix? In that case, who was Jesus telling us to believe in? His invisible, and separate, alter-ego? What did Jesus mean when He said "I and the Father are one"? To be consistent, you must believe that the man Jesus NEVER claimed to be God. I am amazed you are saying this. I guess the Jews were way ahead of you.

If He was walking around with the "inside knowledge" then He was more than Adam.

It is controversial to you that Jesus was more than Adam? Words fail me.

Unless He was in every way like us except that He (as fully human without "inside information") chose not to sin but could have sinned according to His human nature, the whole thing was a show.

How in the universe do you come to that conclusion? Jesus was ONLY human, or else His existence was a show? How did the human Jesus perform miracles? Did the Father send down special powers, BYPASSING the divinity in Christ, to Jesus the man? Where do you get this stuff? :)

4,233 posted on 03/31/2006 10:56:21 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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