FK to Kolokotronis And I would say that man's nature is exactly as God ordained it to be. There was no mistake. Through Adam's sin, all humanity is born with a sinful nature totally incapable of coming to God, much less of even doing good
Kolokotronis' statement is what Apostolic Church taught from the beginning. All indications are that God desired man to be immortal.
Sin, FK, presupposes reason and free will (by necessity) or else it is not sin. You are saying that God ordained Adam's sin which is to say that He "programmed" Adam to sin.
This is sheer nonsense.
Adam was created with a possibility of being immortal. God planted a choice in the middle of the Garden of Eden, for man to choose. Man chose mortality. God did not make that choice for Adam. And wile you maintain that God ordained Adam's Fall, the real burden is Adam's obedience to God's wish for him to fall.
Again, a choice to be a choice must be free and not an obligation.
I'm from Missouri, SHOW ME indications! :) You are saying that God doesn't get what He wants.
Sin, FK, presupposes reason and free will (by necessity) or else it is not sin. You are saying that God ordained Adam's sin which is to say that He "programmed" Adam to sin. This is sheer nonsense.
I definitely draw a distinction between "ordination" and "causation". I addressed this in an old post which I just found, and I am sorry I did not ping you to it originally. It is here, in post 3802.
Adam was created with a possibility of being immortal.
Then what would have happened to the rest of mankind if Adam had made a wise decision? Would Jesus have ever appeared? Do you mourn Adam's decision or are you thankful for it?