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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
Then I assume all the males in your church are circumcised?

Forest Keeper: That could very well be, but then it's been years since I've checked. I assume your point is to attack the passage in Matthew 5. I would ask what "until everything is accomplished" means to you, and if you believe in the New Covenant? I was using the passage to prove that Jesus Himself plainly stated that there were no errors in the OT, contrary to what yours and Kosta's positions appear to be. Jesus defends the OT, and quoted from it often. Then, He used His unique authority to complete its teachings. I'm going to stick with the view of Jesus on this one.

What I am asking is which part of Old Testament law do you follow, and which do you ignore? The Old Testament is clear that males must be circumcised. Also eating pork is forbidden. There are many other laws in the Old Testament that most Christians do not observe.

So which do you observe, and which do you choose to ignore, and why?

3,807 posted on 03/20/2006 9:33:10 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776; Forest Keeper; Agrarian; annalex; jo kus
The Old Testament is clear that males must be circumcised. Also eating pork is forbidden. There are many other laws in the Old Testament that most Christians do not observe

Dietary dispensation and omission of circumcision come from +Paul. Clearly, this was necessary to make the faith more acceptable to Gentiles. Ironically, the Church then imposed its own dietary restrictions over time, somuch so that today Orthodox Christians fast just about 180 of 364 days a year! Orthodox fast, ideally, means one meal a day, no oil or meat or any animal product of any kind (i.e. milk, cheese, eggs, etc. -- even jello because it is derived from bones). Every Wednesday and Friday, various feasts, 40 days before Nativity and 40 days (strictest fast) during Great Lent, or Great Fast, before Resurrection.

+Paul clearly states that we are not under the Law but under Grace. Although Christ never taught that, Pauline teaching became the norm even though he himself admits that he is not commanded by the Lord, but gives judgemnt on his own accord, as a his servant.

3,839 posted on 03/20/2006 3:52:06 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: stripes1776

I believe the only sect/cult of Christianity that follows OT dietary ptractices are the Seventh Day Adventists.


3,840 posted on 03/20/2006 3:56:03 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: stripes1776; kosta50
What I am asking is which part of Old Testament law do you follow, and which do you ignore? The Old Testament is clear that males must be circumcised. Also eating pork is forbidden. There are many other laws in the Old Testament that most Christians do not observe. So which do you observe, and which do you choose to ignore, and why?

I agree with Kosta's observation that Paul said we are not under law, but rather grace. I do believe it is correct to observe the Ten Commandments. (I'll Freepmail you my address so you can send me my medal. :) As to what else is in the OT, I suppose I would observe anything that matches the teachings in the NT. I don't "ignore" any OT scripture, but rather put it into context on a case by case basis. So, I can't really give you a list. (If it helps, I do eat pork. :)

3,978 posted on 03/23/2006 5:44:19 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: stripes1776; kosta50
What I am asking is which part of Old Testament law do you follow, and which do you ignore? The Old Testament is clear that males must be circumcised. Also eating pork is forbidden. There are many other laws in the Old Testament that most Christians do not observe. So which do you observe, and which do you choose to ignore, and why?

I agree with Kosta's observation that Paul said we are not under law, but rather grace. I do believe it is correct to observe the Ten Commandments. (I'll Freepmail you my address so you can send me my medal. :) As to what else is in the OT, I suppose I would observe anything that matches the teachings in the NT. I don't "ignore" any OT scripture, but rather put it into context on a case by case basis. So, I can't really give you a list. (If it helps, I do eat pork. :)

3,979 posted on 03/23/2006 5:45:34 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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