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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Forest Keeper
Amen. Who created Satan? Does Satan run amok of his own free will, thwarting God's purposeful demands of His creation? Is Satan that powerful?

I really don't want to commmit theology here, because Our Good Lord knows I don't have the capacity for it. But as I understand the free-will argument, it goes like this: Evil came into existence by the free, but bad, beguiled or mark-missing will. This infant evil then resulted in Adam and Eve being banned from the Garden, and the free-willed but bad fruit of this evil, then rushed headlong on the whole of mankind, either in the form of Original Sin or a patrimony of sickness.

God did not author the evil only permitted it, but God did author the banishment and the attendant Sin or sickness. But permission bears no authorship and as such no responsibility, it is strictly passive.

Satan, ostensibly free to prowl but really under God's control, was allowed to gain a foothold through Adam's sin. And that foothold would not be loosed as the sons and daughters of Adam retained the stain. That stain was earned in advance of being born and actually engaging the free-will and missing the mark, sinning, etc.

If I'm correct that's one heck of an ungainly philosophy!

The idea of man's total depravity doesn't seem to me to have originated with Calvin, it can be seen readily in St. Paul's Epistles. And history sure seems to bear the truth of this depravity out.

For me, one of the many points of genius of the indefatigable Calvin and his advocacy of God as Father, is his system of thought on the Divine imprint on human beings. He says the following:

"Humankind have within themselves a workshop Graced with God's unnumbered works, and at the same time, a storehouse overflowing with inestimable riches...They feel in many wonderful ways that God works in them; they are also taught by the use of these things what a great variety of gifts they possess from his liberality. They are compelled to know-whether they will or not-that these are the signs of divinity; yet they conceal them within. Indeed there is no need to go outside themselves, provided they do not, by claiming for themselves what has been given them from heaven, bury in the earth that which enlightens their minds to see God clearly."

It's beautiful, isn't it?

I learned of man's depravity all by my lonesome. What I needed desperately to learn of was God's Love, and that I wasn't past the point of no return. He made that known to me.

How I always loved the Scripture which speaks of God having knitted us in the womb.

3,576 posted on 03/14/2006 6:59:25 PM PST by AlbionGirl (The Doctrine of God's Sovereignty has restored my Christian Youth.)
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To: AlbionGirl

I won't go into your theology, AG, or your newly found salvation in Calvin's man-made "church," but I will remind you, as you triumph in His love for you, that your Calvinsit friends believe that God equally makes others suffer and that there are those who came to the realization that the same loving God made them so they would perish and burn in hell for all eternity.


3,582 posted on 03/14/2006 11:46:11 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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