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To: kosta50
Surely, God did not dictate this to two different people, HD.

I think one of the Catholic posters (either jo kus or annalex) already posted Philippians 1:22, which you choose to ignore.

You have asked this question ad nauseum,

Wrong again, HD. You side with some who side with +Augustine.

The unrepenetant hearts will end in hell, but not because God wants them there.
3,471 posted on 03/12/2006 9:18:01 AM PST by HarleyD ("A man's steps are from the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24 (HNV))
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To: HarleyD; kosta50
OK. You mean I side with the western church fathers who declared John Cassian a heretic. You side with John Cassian the officially proclaim heretic of the western church. Is that better? Does that make you more comfortable?

The Council of Orange was a local council. It was never binding on the universal church. So it is understandable that Cassian is considered a saint in the Eastern Church (commemorated on the last day of February.) Christianity as a whole never embraced the doctrine of Total Depravity, so dear to a Calvinist's heart, a doctrine Calvinists use the Council of Orange to support.

Heresy is a very interesting word. It comes from the Greek word for choice. That doesn't mean that what a heretic chooses is necessarily wrong, but he chooses only one feature of doctrine and blows it out of proportion and to the exclusion of every other part of Christian tradition. It seems to me that the charge of heresy is more applicable to the Council of Orange than what kosta is offering on these threads.

3,474 posted on 03/12/2006 11:08:06 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: HarleyD
I would say that every path that we "decide" is ordained (guided) by the Lord. You can NOT do anything that God hasn't ordained to happen

And I will repeat what I said earlier: if our will is only the extension of God's will, then by necessity, there can be not evil, Harley D.

Your interpretations lead to false conclusions.

3,484 posted on 03/12/2006 5:34:22 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD
Here is your verse in the Hebrew:

Hebrew Bible (OT) is not Christian OT, HD. The Christian OT is Septuagint (LXX).

3,485 posted on 03/12/2006 5:37:03 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD
Sure, we have a choice. I said we have a choice. The Bible says we have a choice

Excuse me, but your tagline says something (out of context) that our steps are "ordained" and yet you say that we have a choice? Make up your mind. It is our choice or is it an extension of God's choice? A choice, in order to be a choice, must be free. Otherwise it's not a choice. If you deny free choice, then you deny evil, because then our choice is really God's choice.

3,486 posted on 03/12/2006 5:43:07 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD; stripes1776
OK. You mean I side with the western church fathers who declared John Cassian a heretic. You side with John Cassian the officially proclaim heretic of the western church. Is that better? Does that make you more comfortable?

The only discomfort I feel is your refusal to ack acknowledge what stripes1776 reminded you of: the Council of Orange was a local council, like the Council of Toledo (filioque). Cassian was never anathematized by the Church.

Catholics and other Protestants follow +Augustine's teachings. Blessed Augustine is also a saint in the Orthodox Church. So, when I say that you side with some suporters of Augustine I was telling you the truth. It is only a relatively small number of those who side with +Augustine to the exclusion of other Fathers, as Calvinists do.

3,488 posted on 03/12/2006 5:51:06 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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