[HarleyD]

I'd like to know where you get the idea that Adam's sin, described with great care in Genesis, was "ordained" by God.

1) God placed man in the garden.

2) God placed the fruit tree in the garden.

3) God had the serpent go into the garden.

4) God knew what would happen.

Seems simple enough.

[annalex]

Nevertheless, Genesis 3 describes the decision to be Eve's and later Adam's. The only involvement of God is that He commanded them not to eat from the fruit. When they have eaten it, God is described looking for them, and then querying them what did they do. The plain reading does not agree with the "God ordained it" fantacy. In fact, the inspired author goes out of his way to describe God as discovering the truth as if by accident during His afternoon stroll.

[jo kus]

3) God had the serpent go into the garden.

Where does Scripture say that? This is key. God ALLOWS the Serpent into the Garden. He does not SEND ACTIVELY the Serpent to FORCE Adam to sin. That is making God an accompliss of sin! God created sin??? Utter foolishness.

And you expect us to buy your droning that states "we don't believe that God causes men to sin"? Make up your mind.