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To: stripes1776; jo kus; Forest Keeper
It is not just my beliefs. I am talking about the majority of Protestants. You can also speak to Forest Keeper, HarleyD, and kosta50 about this.

Yes, I would agree with stripes. A majority of Protestants have abandoned the monergistic view of salvation and adopted the synergistic (free will) view. Wesley, while not accepting everything the Arminius had to offer, accepted the "free will" view.

Today most Protestants have no problem agreeing to the Catholic view of man, even though it was never what Protestants were originally about. It doesn't surprise me that jokus wouldn't have much difficulties in becoming a Methodist or why some Protestants become Catholic.

3,082 posted on 02/28/2006 10:44:09 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: HarleyD
A majority of Protestants have abandoned the monergistic view of salvation and adopted the synergistic (free will) view. Wesley, while not accepting everything the Arminius had to offer, accepted the "free will" view.

yes, you have said that a number of times. but I hadn't realized that this also covered salvation issues. I thought it was only indirect - man cooperates with God, but it is God alone who gives man the ability and who saves man. Catholics do believe in predestination. What about Arminians? Arminians believe that they are not automatically saved? Sorry for the ignorance. It seems Protestants classify themselves into many different groups and theological mindsets and it can be difficult to understand them all.

Today most Protestants have no problem agreeing to the Catholic view of man, even though it was never what Protestants were originally about.

I don't know where we stand in regards to Arminians. I get the idea that we are in between you and them on the issue of free will. I don't know about how this effects your guy's ideas on salvation. All I do here is expound on Catholic ideas. When someone expresses their ideas that differ from Catholicism, we discuss it. So I am not in the know on all the various groups theories.

It doesn't surprise me that jokus wouldn't have much difficulties in becoming a Methodist

{Chuckle}. Now, Harley, I didn't say that I'd have difficulties in becoming a Methodist! Only that IF IF I already WAS a Protestant, my current paradigms, experiences, and "self" interpretations of Scripture lead me in that direction - IF I was not Catholic! I couldn't image leaving the Eucharist. We don't want to start any vicious rumours now, especially before Lent! :)

To be fair to your theological bend, I also ask you for some SHORT link that compares our ideas of salvation to yours and Arminians' (I already asked Stripes, who I presume is an Arminian).

Regards

3,085 posted on 02/28/2006 11:44:44 AM PST by jo kus
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