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To: annalex; Forest Keeper
"The usual English translation says it a bit less forcefully, "eternally begotten of the Father", but of course, the meaning is the same."

It does indeed mean the same thing, but the Greek "pro pantwn twn aiwnwn" does actually translate as "before all ages".

The bottom line is, FK, that the Logos, Christ, was begotten as part of the Trinity, not merely as a man, the Son of Mary. I am curious as to whether or not your understanding of the Creed is shared as a matter of doctrine by Baptists in general and if so, why, if you know.

2,900 posted on 02/22/2006 10:54:24 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; annalex; jo kus; HarleyD
The bottom line is, FK, that the Logos, Christ, was begotten as part of the Trinity, not merely as a man, the Son of Mary. I am curious as to whether or not your understanding of the Creed is shared as a matter of doctrine by Baptists in general and if so, why, if you know.

As I said to Alex (I think) in another post, I have been using "begotten" in a dictionary sense and it has been on my own. I did try to research what the SBC says about the Creed, but I couldn't find anything. The Creed is available on their website, however, so there must be some level of approval. :)

On a recent post I said that we wouldn't agree with the baptism part of the Creed, but after seeing the SBC version I may have to take that back (I think:) . In this version, as opposed to the random one I found on the internet, the word "Baptism" is capitalized. That tells me that it might refer to a spiritual baptism as opposed to a ceremonial baptism, in which case I think I can agree. "Baptism for the remission of sins" is very tricky for me, because no Baptist can say that Baptism has anything to do with salvation. And, this whole thing could just be a nuance that I have not learned yet. :)

As a general matter, I would say that Baptists are fine with the Creed, regardless of whatever I have said about it. I just can't explain the baptism part yet. :) I would be happy to try to answer your question, but I'm not sure what you think my understanding of the Creed is. I freely admit that there could be some theological meaning of "begotten" that is wholly unfamiliar to me. Therefore, in this position, I can't possibly claim to speak for all Baptists. :)

2,974 posted on 02/24/2006 2:53:09 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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