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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; jo kus; HarleyD
All this, and you still have not shown me hwere Jesus says, I quote: "I am God." You misquoted.

"I and the Father are one."

And we are one in Jesus. What does that make us?

Because everyone knew, INCLUDING Jesus, that He was claiming to be God

A Son of God. [Mat 4:3,4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, etc.]

The priest tells Him in Mat 26:63 "I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God."

Christ answered but not what the priest asked Him. "Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."

The Son of man is the second Adam, FK, in the person of Jesus. Although the priest took it as "blasphemy" it is this kind of indirect Gospel language that has given rise to many heresies in the early centuries of Christianity that persist to this day, confusing the orthodox doctrine that Jesus is the Christ, God and Man, two natures, one Person, two wills, in perfect harmony.

This is not in the Scripture. This is derived from the Scripture but not by the Protestant prooftexting.

2,631 posted on 02/14/2006 8:53:36 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; jo kus; HarleyD
All this [several verses from FK attempting to show that Jesus Himself claimed to be God], and you still have not shown me where Jesus says, I quote: "I am God." You misquoted. ... This is not in the Scripture. This is derived from the Scripture but not by the Protestant prooftexting.

I misquoted? Well, if the only evidence you will accept is a direct quote from Jesus "I am God", then you're right Kosta, Jesus never claims to be God. This is the reasoning that makes me a protester. :) If it's right there in front of you, it is rejected, and if it is no where to be found, it is invented and inserted into scriptural interpretation. When Jesus says He is the Alpha and the Omega, of course that cannot be what He really means. He really means that He is the Beta and the Delta, or something.

FK: "Because everyone knew, INCLUDING Jesus, that He was claiming to be God."

A Son of God. [Mat 4:3,4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, etc.]

The priest tells Him in Mat 26:63 "I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God."

Are you saying that the title "Son of God" and "God" are incompatible? I would have bet good money that you all believed in the trinity, so this makes no sense to me. Do you believe that the terms "Son of Man", "Son of God", and "Son of David" are incompatible?

2,720 posted on 02/16/2006 4:50:20 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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