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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; annalex; jo kus

"The Orthodox church built their theology around John Cassian, a student of Pelagius...."

Harley, that's just plain silly. +John Cassian's thought was thoroughly patristic and bible based. In any event, many of the greatest theologians of The Church, like +Athanasius the Great, +John Chrysostomos, +Basil the Great, +Gregory the Theologian, etc. etc. all were born before +John Cassian and certainly were of far greater impact on the theology of The Church than he was. Your statement is just Calvinist apologetics and fantasy.

As for your theory that John 10:11-18 supports Calvinism and somehow condemns works, that's just a Calvinist innovation. Read +John Chrysostomos' Homily LX on the Gospel of +John. Foreknowledge, Harley, doesn't equal predestination and the passage you use as a proof text hasnothing to do with works, though as you well know, the role of works in the process of theosis is well established by both scripture and the Fathers. BTW, The Fathers deal with that one too!

By the way, am I wrong in assuming that in Calvinist theology there is either no such thing as the Final Judgment, a separating of the goats from the sheep, or there is one but merely for show or to give God a chance to wreak a little "vengence"?


2,243 posted on 02/02/2006 6:21:58 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; annalex; jo kus
There's nothing silly about my remark, "The Orthodox church built their theology around John Cassian, a student of Pelagius...." You state that the remark is "silly" and then turn right around and say that John Cassian was "bible based". Well, if he was bible based didn't the Orthodox build their theology around him? One would hope so.

As for your theory that John 10:11-18 supports Calvinism and somehow condemns works

My verses were not meant to condemn works. It was meant as an example of perseverance of the saints. Our Lord Jesus is our good Shepherd who watches over us (including ourselves). It is he who keeps us by His grace and no one will snatch us out of His hand.

2,253 posted on 02/03/2006 2:26:31 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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