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To: annalex; jo kus
Not only much of the New Testament is private correspondence, but its incompleteness is expressly stated, see John 21:25.

I fully believe in John 21:25, I just don't believe that everything left that was taught was necessarily true because men said so. As Jo said, I understand that the Apostles who didn't get books in the Bible nevertheless went out and preached and taught. There is no denying. So, I believe that there might be plenty of stuff that is not explicitly in the Bible that is sound under Christianity, but it must pass the test of the Bible in its totality.

My problem is that then you'll list all your traditions, ask me to prove they are explicitly unbiblical, and then, if I can't to your satisfaction, declare them as all true because your hierarchy says so. Obviously, there are a multitude of theological paradigms upon which we would disagree in interpretation, and none of us is alone in his views.

We look at the same verse and I see something different from your leaders. I can live with that, because I believe I know Who is looking out for me. I fully respect that you know Who is looking out for you, too, through the Church. I expect to learn many new teachings throughout my life (sanctification), and all I say is GREAT! I'll just be a better witness the next time. There is no inconsistency here because no perfection is claimed, due to me.

2,191 posted on 01/31/2006 10:29:38 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex
There is no inconsistency here because no perfection is claimed, due to me.

That's the great thing about having an infallible teaching Church. When people claim that the Virgin Mary wasn't a Virgin, the Church can say infallibly "you are wrong". When people say that the Eucharist is not the Real Presence of Christ, citing something about not drinking blood, the Church can say, "this is what we believe. You misunderstand the OT Scriptures".

I don't have to be infallible. But what I have been taught as dogmatically true has been given to us from God Himself through a visible instrument. The Scriptures, also; through a visible instrument. Thankfully, we don't have to wander around considering such difficult things - we just run to the Church and find out what she teaches. The Bride of Christ cannot fail. Thus, I have assuredness of God's teachings and means to come to Him.

Regards

2,192 posted on 01/31/2006 10:52:31 AM PST by jo kus
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To: Forest Keeper
you'll list all your traditions, ask me to prove they are explicitly unbiblical, and then, if I can't to your satisfaction, declare them as all true because your hierarchy says so.

Never happened. When you find something not in the Bible, e.g. veneration of saints, it does not make it unbiblical, it makes it not part of the written canon of scripture.

2,203 posted on 01/31/2006 6:33:22 PM PST by annalex
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