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To: annalex

"Those verses refer to the apostles and to the ordained priests; 1 John 2:27 even expressly so"

It's been a hard day so I might be a little slow, but where does it say these verses apply to apostles and to the ordained priests? The gospel was written to the assemblies at large and John's letters as well as to Timothy were written for the benefit of the assemblies. Are you saying that these books have no relevance for the individual believers? Are we to throw away our Bibles and just listen to the tapes of the professionals?


213 posted on 01/03/2006 2:58:25 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
The Peraclete in John 14-15 is promised to the apostles only; see specifically John 15 where the narrow circle of the apostles is explicitly drawn:
26 But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he shall give testimony of me. 27 And you shall give testimony, because you are with me from the beginning.
Then again in John 20, the Holy Ghost is breathed to the disciples as they are sent to teach others:
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
The "annointing" mentioned in 1 John 2:27 is a reference to the sacrament of the Holy Orders, which is said to prevent the priest or bishop from being "seduced" (see previous verse) by others, presumably, laymen.

Titus, the recipient of St. Paul's letter, was an ordained bishop as well.

A lay man can read the Bible. Even better, he should listen to it proclaimed by the Church, in the context of a liturgy. What he should not do is interpret it contrary to what the Apostolic Church teaches.

You should treat your Bible reverently. At a minimum, you should restore its integrity by, perhaps, printing out the missing canonical books off the Internet and attaching it to your copy. You can find the complete canon of the Bible here: Douay-Rheims Bible. You can purchase a canonical copy in any Catholic book store as well, and reverently dispose of your redacted copy. As to the tapes, it depends what is in them, as some are better than others.

216 posted on 01/03/2006 3:48:01 PM PST by annalex
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To: blue-duncan
You mean you're the nice young man who taught me how to conjugate flatulare?

flatulare
flatularum
flatulomnibus

Sorry for the bargain-basement humour, I couldn't resist because I really did know a boy who conjugated as noted, just to see if he could make me laugh.

218 posted on 01/03/2006 3:53:37 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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