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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex; jo kus
I don't think anyone would claim that the Church "wrote" the Scripture......But the New Testament is the product of the Church

And the difference is????

Not even the early church fathers would have the adacity to make this kind of statement nor was it ever a view of the Church that "they put it together". Someone here directed me to Ireaneus. I'd suggest that some should reread his views on the holy scripture.

BTW-If you don't think someone would overtly claim the Church "wrote" the scripture please see post 19 of Why We Have a Ministerial Priesthood

2,100 posted on 01/28/2006 11:23:52 PM PST by HarleyD (Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way? - Pro 20:24)
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex; jo kus
And the difference is [re: Church did not write NT but the NT is the product of the Church]????

The difference is that I do not write your responses, but I can collect them into a book and call them "Halrey's Follies."

Not even the early church fathers would have the adacity to make this kind of statement nor was it ever a view of the Church that "they put it together"

The early Church Fathers did not explicitly agree with each other as to which books constitute the New Testament canon until the end of the 4th century -- and beyond. In fact, various biblical redactions and additions were made by different Church councils since then, by Luther, even by Thomas Jefferson, and are being made to this date.

Someone here directed me to Ireaneus. I'd suggest that some should reread his views on the holy scripture

+Irenaeus (130-202 AD) knew only 16 books of the NT (the others were not written yet!). Early Christian fathers referred only to the Old Testament as Scripture.

Also, early Christians, depending where they were, favored different books over others. Thus, Jewish Christians generally rejected +Paul's epistles, and favored +James, whereas Gentile Christians preferred +Paul over +James.

Even Rome, at one point, included the Apocalypse of Peter as one of the NT books later rejected by the Church.

As late as 300 AD the following books were still disputed: Didache, Barnabas, Hermas, Diatessaron, Gospel of the Hebrews, Hebrews, Acts of Paul, James, 2nd Peter, 2-3 John, Jude, Revelation, Apocalypse of Peter, and the Synod of Laodicea in 363 still excludes Revelation of John.

At various times in the early Church history, even the Old Testament contained anywhere from 22 to 27 books and also seven or more books which Luther called "Apocrypha."

So, from your responses, I can tell that you have no clue how or when the New Testament (or the Old Testament for that matter) came into existence. You can, of course, believe whatever you wish, but if you choose to do so in ignorance it may be better if you did not dispute verifiable facts.

2,101 posted on 01/29/2006 5:39:41 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD; bornacatholic; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex; jo kus
BTW-If you don't think someone would overtly claim the Church "wrote" the scripture please see post 19 of Why We Have a Ministerial Priesthood

I suggest you take this up with boracatholic and ask him what he means by that or to prove that Catholics wrote the books of the NT.

The true Church established by Christ is apostolic and catholic, as Irenaeus clearly states, and one could say that all the authors of the New Testament were members of that Church. So, I don't see where bornacatholic's statement is not true since all the books of the NT were written by the people who shared that same (apostolic and catholic) faith.

2,102 posted on 01/29/2006 5:46:11 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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