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To: HarleyD
Catholics can't understand Luther's comment simply because they don't believe in original sin

And you are so darn ignorant, it's not even funny! Please check your facts.

1,874 posted on 01/23/2006 2:42:35 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper

Well, that was a poor way to state it. That's what I get for posting before coffee.

Catholics and Orthodox believe in original sin but not that man is corrupted; just that he is seperated from God's grace. Man is in "neutral" position. God has to show man the "good" position whereby man cooperates with God.

Luther and Protestants believe man is not in a neutral position but is dead to sin; constantly doing the wrong thing. Men can't help themselves because they will always choose wrong. This is what is know as bondage of the will.
This condition makes man "evil" in the sight of God. God must spiritually change man's corrupted spiritual nature with a "new heart and spirit" that desires to follow God.

While I indeed misspoke, I never saw from you an explanation of the many times our Lord Jesus specifically call men "evil". This, of course, is incomprehensible in the soteriology of "free will" and God loves mankind nonsense. Instead the Orthodox and Catholics have invented a "man is neutral" before God which is a completely false doctrine. But that's where many are heading these days including Protestants.


1,877 posted on 01/23/2006 4:24:59 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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