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To: annalex; HarleyD; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
[Quote from Martin Luther] - "If you are a preacher of grace, then preach a true and not a fictitious grace; if grace is true, you must bear a true [p.282] and not a fictitious sin. God does not save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly.... as long as we are here [in this world] we have to sin.... No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day." Source

Well, I asked for a quote and you gave me a quote, so thank you. I admit I'm not learned enough in this area to even try to explain it, (although I do note the breaks in text and the fact that the source is unfriendly to Luther's views.) However, it is what it is and I don't know the answer. The idea is just so strange to me that he would so openly refute something so plain in the Bible. I don't understand, I need to learn more about this.

1,870 posted on 01/23/2006 12:22:41 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg

This is nonsense that is perpetrated from not understanding what Luther is saying. Catholics believe that man is not all that bad. Consequently they can "work" themselves into better and better situation through communion, pentence, indulgence, etc. Luther is saying that man is rotten and nothing he does is going to satisfy God. However, although we cannot help but sin we have a redeemer who has taken care of these sins.

Catholics can't understand Luther's comment simply because they don't believe in original sin.


1,872 posted on 01/23/2006 2:27:00 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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