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To: kosta50

Neiher - His choice, His selection of us, is irresistable. I did not "choose" my salvation. It was given to me, and as such it showed me my sin for what it truly is. I was filled with a godly sorrow for my transgression and repented.

My only "choice" after salvation is whether or not to obey. Before salvation, there is no choice, as a dead man can't choose life.

>>Oh, yes He does choose -- to give us blesisngs and to let us accept or reject them<<

Even when the Old Testament saints faltered, they were still commanded to "Go!". I sumbit that they did not choose their position or calling, but only obedience to it.

>>but He helps us if we ask<<

The unregenerate heart is at a natural enmity with God - and cannot pray, worship, or ask properly without the intercession of Christ.

>>And even when they transgressed He offered them a chance to repent<<

Adam and Eve were made perfect, and were the only ones made with true Free Will. In their sin, all fell, and we are now born into sin. We are not born spiritually neutral.


164 posted on 01/03/2006 5:11:45 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
His choice, His selection of us, is irresistable

No it's not. It becomes irresistable once we submt to His love, and fall in love with God.

He inscribed the knowledge of Himself in everyone's heart, yet not everyone accepts Him.

My only "choice" after salvation is whether or not to obey

You are not saved -- yet (contrary to what the Protestants have been peddling for centuries). Believeing in Jesus means more than just a statement; it means becoming Christ-like. Perhaps you have this illusion, but you are not Christ-like yet, as neither am I. So, both of us better stay on that train...

I sumbit that they did not choose their position or calling, but only obedience to it

And all along I thought we are under Grace and not under the Law! Look up the word "grace" and find where it has anything to do with obedience. Christian God returns our ingratitude with blessings, not with wrath. For our transgressions, He sends His Son to rescue us; for our corruption, He gives us a New Covenant. God never returns evil with evil.

The unregenerate heart is at a natural enmity with God - and cannot pray, worship, or ask properly without the intercession of Christ

Oh, what a mouthful! God has inscribed the knowledge of Himself in everyone's heart. The "unregenerate" heart is a heart full of pride, and self-love. When I said that God helps if we ask Him -- obviously only believers ask -- so your answer makes no sense.

As for to "ask properly without the intercession of Christ. Intercession? I don't know about your Protestants, but Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christians pray, and have always prayed, to Jesus Christ, our Lord and God (Jn 20:28), as we pray to God the Father and to God the Holy Spirit, one essence.

214 posted on 01/03/2006 3:34:14 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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