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To: Forest Keeper

First, regarding my "insults"--they responded to your own 'gotcha" tone.

Second, you wrote: "'Receiving' a thing has nothing to do with whether it was meant as a gift (Sam received injuries in the accident.)"

This illustrates well the way you ignore the context. I said that a gift requires reception for completion. The reception I referred to is the reception of a gift. My claim was that once a gift is offered, unless it is received, it is not fully a gift. You use the word "reception" in an entirely different (non-gift) context, then claim that it proves something about the role played by reception in a gift context.

This is circular reasoning. Of course, if you use the word "reception" in a non-gift context, it does not require a gift for its meaning. You switched from "receive a gift" to "receive a thing." I fully agree that if one receive a "thing" (a non-gift thing) then reception will a non-gift reception. But the context of the argument is gifting. You did an apples-oranges switch again. You think that words can be taken from one context and plopped into another context without consequences for their meaning. They can't.


1,514 posted on 01/14/2006 5:13:09 PM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
Second, you wrote: "'Receiving' a thing has nothing to do with whether it was meant as a gift (Sam received injuries in the accident.)"

This illustrates well the way you ignore the context. I said that a gift requires reception for completion. The reception I referred to is the reception of a gift.

I'd say this whole line of misunderstanding involves your own unclean hands, along with mine. In your post #1134 you said:

If someone shoves a burning torch into my clenched fist I am not receiving it, I am being forced to hold it.

I assumed by that someone was "shoving" a torch in your hand, that it was not meant as a gift. I don't shove many gifts on people, especially in the sense that you use the word "gift". I thought your whole point was regarding the meaning of "receive" alone, not "receive as a gift".

1,616 posted on 01/15/2006 9:29:09 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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