Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: zeeba neighba

You're a bit premature with the laughing. If you recall, refusal is an act of free choice, right? The debate is over whether we have free will and can refuse, right?

Okay, and I also said repeatedly that no one can exercise free will until he has knowledge of right and wrong, right? So no one refuses or accepts anything until he is old enough to reason, right?

So at the moment of birth, the newborn neither refuses nor accepts life. He is incapable of free will. His parents, however, accepted life for him when they conceived him, nurtured him through gestation, birthed him and took care of him. They exercise their free will on his behalf.

We who have defended free will have always pointed out that infants do not exercise it and for that reason, their parents are so important. But we also pointed out that at the age of accountability (the word has direct bearing on freedom, moral choice-making) one becomes capable of exercising free will. At that point, automatically, one is capable of refusing the gift of life (it's called suicide, in case you were wondering--and in a less serious form, everyone who whines his way through life, being miserable, "wishing" he were dead is partially refusing life, even if he doesn't finally refuse it by suicide).

Until a child reaches this age of freedom/accountability, reason, life is not a gift in the full sense. It is an offered gift to him, an accepted gift by his parents. It becomes an accepted and thus full gift to him when he, having reached the age of reason, continues to live it acceptingly rather than to reject it partially (wishing he were dead) or fully (suicide).

Your fallacy, gotcha guy, was that you failed to take account of timing.

Truly, all life is a gift from God. But not all recipients of life know that it is and therefore not all have completed the process of life-gifting. I did accept the gift of life. I could have refused it, despite your sarcastic implication that I had no choice. I did have a choice beginning at the point at which I understood it to be a gift (knowledge) and chose to accept it rather than kill myself (free choice).

With every breath I take I reaffirm my reception and acceptance of the gift of life, and so do you.

You just didn't know it because you hadn't thought it through.

If you weren't quite so eager to score a gotcha, this might have occurred to you by yourself. I gave you all the building blocks when I described how gifts are offered and received or rejected. I said a refused gift is not a gift in the full sense and that a gift fully becomes a gift when accepted. Built into that definition was the possibility that seven or eight years could pass between offering and accepting of a gift. You didn't stop to think of that, now, did you?

A man offers an engagement ring to a woman. She takes some time to think it over. He has not yet gifted her with the ring until she accepts. I never said that accepting a gift has to occur within a certain time limit. And having accepted the gift of life from the time I was seven or eight, guess what, I'm still free to refuse it tomorrow.

Your God who won't let us refuse anything just doesn't square with basic human experience.


1,355 posted on 01/13/2006 12:50:04 PM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1349 | View Replies ]


To: Dionysiusdecordealcis

lol, no I'm still laughing. You seem to think that man has something to do with his being both physically and more importantly, spiritually alive. You, your parents, your teachers, the cosmos and Oprah, have absolutely no say whatsoever in it.


1,357 posted on 01/13/2006 12:55:20 PM PST by zeeba neighba
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1355 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson