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To: zeeba neighba
do you get the idea from listening to them that only Catholics are among the elect?

That would be the wrong idea, and you would not get it from reading this thread (perhaps together with your longhorns). For one thing, it illustrates how much mutual respect and understanding exists between the Catholic and the Orthodox, and both these Churches comprise the true visible Church of Christ. But salvation is limited to the Church as the mystical body of Christ, as I took some pains explaining to you the other day, and we don't really know her perimeter as well as we know the perimeter of the visible Church. We believe that many, even the unbaptized, will be judged for their righteousness and mystically converted by Christ on their deathbed. The advantage that the Catholic and the Orthodox have is that they have access to the full sacraments and wisdom of Christ in their daily lives. If they abide in His Church they have assurance, not merely a chance, of salvation.

1,210 posted on 01/12/2006 3:51:03 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
and both these Churches comprise the true visible Church of Christ.

Are you saying, that they alone comprise the true visible Church?

1,211 posted on 01/12/2006 3:53:07 PM PST by zeeba neighba
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To: annalex; jo kus
The advantage that the Catholic and the Orthodox have is that they have access to the full sacraments and wisdom of Christ in their daily lives. If they abide in His Church they have assurance, not merely a chance, of salvation.(Emphasis added)

Now I am really confused. I know I have been told that the Catholic faith says that assurance cannot be had because the future is unknown to us and we might choose to fall away, irreparably. I thought that assurance cannot be had by the Catholic until judgment before God. I'll just ask for any comments.

1,458 posted on 01/13/2006 8:08:24 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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