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To: jo kus
I would refer you to the following excellent article: Complete Grace by Damian M. Romano. Below is a excerpt:


1,150 posted on 01/12/2006 9:27:57 AM PST by HarleyD ("No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44)
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To: HarleyD

Harley, Augustine did not teach what you say he did. You've had this pointed out to you dozens of times on other threads. Will you stop this falsification of Augustine's teaching once and for all? It's tiresome.


1,153 posted on 01/12/2006 9:35:32 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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Just for good measure Romano'[s portrayal of Pelagius's teaching leaves out the most important and distinctive matters, as does his summary of Semi-Pelagianism.

You cherry pick some R.-C.-Sproul-clone hack-theologian and think you've made a compelling argument. And you've done this a hundred times on FR threads and you've had chapter and verse in Augustine's anti-pelagian writings presented to you showing that efforts to show Augustine denied free will are not supported by his writings. And it runs off you like water of a quack's back. Sheesh.

If you want tit for tat, Mary T. Clark's book on Augustine's doctrine on freedom refutes every point Romano makes. So does Gerald Bonner, both of them having read Augustine thoroughly and in the original language. Romano's footnotes show he cribbed his stuff from Hodge and Sproul. Ten-to-one he hasn't even read Augustine in English very thoroughly, to say nothing of readin him in Latin.

To put it very briefly, Harley, in letters written in 426 to accompany his treatise On Grace and Correction, Augustine explicitly rejected the interpretation of his writings against Pelagius that Romano gives here. We have from Augustine's own pen his response to those who wished even during his lifetime to interpret his writings as denying free will. He said explicitly, we dare not ever interpret grace in such a way as denying free will and we must never interpret free will in such a way as to deny grace. Period.

Posting hack writers for your side is not very convincing, old boy. Give it up.


1,154 posted on 01/12/2006 9:54:47 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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