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To: Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; kosta50
Well, if you insist on being anthropomorphic about it, yes, He is indifferent [to sin].

Tsk, tsk Kolo to make such a statement. If this was so there was no reason for the death of His Son, no need for the fire and brimstone of Sodom, and certainly no need for flooding the earth. This is not the God of scripture.

115 posted on 01/02/2006 6:02:10 PM PST by HarleyD ("Command what you will and give what you command." - Augustine's Prayer)
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To: HarleyD; kosta50; Campion; redgolum; annalex

"If this was so there was no reason for the death of His Son, no need for the fire and brimstone of Sodom, and certainly no need for flooding the earth. This is not the God of scripture."

Well, I've answered your first point many times, even on this thread, HD. Come on!

Points two and three may mean two things. First, the destruction of Sodom and the Flood, like the devastation of the tsunami a year ago, was likely the result of the burden of sin distorting creation. Sin, HD, has screwed up everything, not simply people. Why doesn't the lion lie down with the lamb, HD? Sin. Yet we know from the writings of the Desert Fathers the many stories of this precise thing happening under the influence of holy monastics who have come to theosis, or near theosis in this life. The story of the lion and the donkey from the life of St. Gerasimos springs to mind. At any rate, these events you refer to also have a didactic aspect through which God shows us the destructive nature of sin.

You don't honestly think that God destroyed nearly everyone in the world because He was mad at people, do you; that God was the author of that destruction?


122 posted on 01/02/2006 6:22:18 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: HarleyD; Kolokotronis
Tsk, tsk Kolo to make such a statement. If this was so there was no reason for the death of His Son, no need for the fire and brimstone of Sodom, and certainly no need for flooding the earth. This is not the God of scripture.

I can't speak for Kolo, but he is right -- God is indifferent to sin. What we do can neither please nor displease Him. If we could, He would be subject to pleasure, and passion.

God is simply offering us to be restored to our original state -- because He loves us.

And by the way, the Old Testament, with floods and the stuff, also says that God repents (Gen 6:6)...that God changes His minds! Imagine that! That God, the Almighty Sovereign Creator of everything and all, the all-knowing and all-seeing Spirit Who is everywhere and Who transcends everything and all, makes a mistake, regrets, and changes His mind!

It's not that it didn't happen. It's that we don't interpret it correctly. Even Jesus redefined the OT "eye for an eye," (Mat 5:38-39) showing that the people whom God chose to reveal His truth not onyl left Him on many occasions, but also maybe interpreted His revelation somewhat oddly, and corrupted the pristine Covenant He made with them (Heb 8:7).

124 posted on 01/02/2006 6:31:54 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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