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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; Cronos; annalex; jo kus; Kolokotronis
The Protestant notion of God being a captive of His own Plan is nonsense.

"For I know the plans that I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope." Jer 29:11

1,143 posted on 01/12/2006 9:03:01 AM PST by HarleyD ("No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44)
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Cronos; annalex; jo kus; Kolokotronis
You must be joking! Your verse is completely out of context with what I wrote. There is nothing in it that says that God cannot change His plan as He sees fit or that He cnanot accommodate our free chocies for our salvation wihtout affecting the outocome of His plan.

God is not subject to necessity. Please try not just to read but to comprehend the Scripture in its entirety.

1,147 posted on 01/12/2006 9:13:52 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Cronos; annalex; jo kus; Kolokotronis
For I know the plans that I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope." Jer 29:11

What's with you? You have your finger stuck on the Bible word search for "plan?"

God has a plan, and His plan IS ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED! You don't think He is "traveling" with us in time, do you? How we get there only affects us, and God has infinite options how we get there.

The final destination of His plan is known: heaven or hell. God gave us a ticket. He did His part in our destination. Where we end up is up to us: we can cooperate with God and be saved or we can refuse His love and be damned. God CAN steer us in the right direction if we repent, that much is clear.

For us to repent we must make a choice; for such a choice to be meaningful, it must be free.

To your detriment, I don't think you will ever understand that freedom is the ultimate gift of love. God is a loving relationship of three Divine Persons of one Essence, a perfect harmony. God is one, but He is not alone! For us to be God-like, for us not to be burned by His love, but purified and sanctified, we must emulate that relationship, by loving God first and foremost and others as ourselves. Love cannot be of any kind; love can only be free. Open your heart and you will be free.

1,157 posted on 01/12/2006 9:58:42 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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