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Luther and Erasmus: The Controversy Concerning the Bondage of the Will
Protestant Reformed Theological Journal ^ | April 1999 | Garrett J. Eriks

Posted on 01/01/2006 4:48:03 PM PST by HarleyD

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To: annalex; D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you annalex on the Catholic deifnitions of soul. That was my understanding of the "anima." There are three kinds of living things, plants, animals and man. They all possess "life" or "that which moves them." All life is from God and we must respect it. "Preaching" Gospels to flies, as Dr E. mockingly says, in no way means by words but rather as the saint said "even by words." That may be a little too much for those who can't think outside the box.
6,441 posted on 05/12/2006 4:44:54 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: fortheDeclaration
King James had no love for the Geneva

I did not imply that he did, but his political interests must have influenced the translators, given the systematic anticlerical spin in KJV.

the perfect translation is the King James

I showed you where it is not perfect. Accidentally, I agree that it is nevertheless a good translation, and is far superior to any modern translation. But perfect it ain't.

Mary being a type of the church, where does that come from?

Mary carried Christ in her womb and the Church carries Christ in the Eucharist abnd in her custody of the Bible.

Scripture please?

The Immaculate Conception is not directly described in the scripture.

Mary was saved like everyone else, by believing God

By believing God and following His command, yes.

When Luther wrote the phrase' faith without works' he had also Gal.2:16 and Rom.4:5, 16 in mind as well.

I don't care what he had in his mind; he intentionally mistranslated the Word of God.

Mary was blessed for bearing the Lord, but 'rather' (instead) blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.

There is no "but rather" in the original. The meaning of "menounge makarioi" is "yes, and also". Once again, you are bringing up Pretestant spin, and I reed what is written.

6,442 posted on 05/12/2006 4:45:18 PM PDT by annalex
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To: 1000 silverlings

I don't disagree. The point is, whatever exceptions you can point to, Mary's betrothal was also commonplace, or the Protoevangelium would not be describing it so matter-of-factly.


6,443 posted on 05/12/2006 4:47:26 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

And Isaiah???


6,444 posted on 05/12/2006 4:47:33 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The 'rather' here is very clear

I just explained that. You read Greek? I do.

6,445 posted on 05/12/2006 4:48:21 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg

Must we rush things....


6,446 posted on 05/12/2006 4:48:38 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Excellent post.


6,447 posted on 05/12/2006 4:50:40 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL. Do you suppose the cole slaw has a soul because I really like eating that cole slaw...


6,448 posted on 05/12/2006 4:52:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Vegetable soul"???

It says vegetative. This kind of caricature tells me a lot about you.

6,449 posted on 05/12/2006 4:54:08 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: fortheDeclaration
What were called in were spirit filled men (elders/pastors) to administer oil, a sign of the Holy Spirit and a form of medience of the ancient times

Why not just say, the priests were called in to annoint the sick, -- they still do, -- and call a spade a spade?

They were coming together in someone else's home to worship and fellowship.

They were coming for the Eucharist. Read the letter, please. There is no "worship and fellowship"; Paul spells out the meaning of the Eucharist in this passage.

you do nothing to explain what Peter means when he speaks of the priesthood of the believers

He does not. He speaks of royal priesthood. "Ofg the believers is your spin, for which you show no scriptural justification.

What it discusses is the priestly class that existed in the Old Testament

No, he is not. He is explaining what Christian priests are.

6,450 posted on 05/12/2006 4:56:18 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Full Court; annalex
Genesis 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth...Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things

Do you enjoy being fearful to little animals FC? Does it please you when birds fly away in fear of you? Do you eat everything you kill? Are bugs your meat too? Is this what Christ teaches?

6,451 posted on 05/12/2006 4:58:56 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Corin Stormhands

lol. Almost dinner time, and now I find out my cupboard is filled with souls!?!


6,452 posted on 05/12/2006 4:59:04 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD
And Isaiah???

There is also Roman 5. These describe that only through the sacrifice of Christ that remittance of sin is possible, and it is also true in the case of Mary. The difference is that her potential sin was wiped off before she could commit any. This is not in contradiction to any passage that describes sin in general terms.

6,453 posted on 05/12/2006 5:00:40 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

There are so many wrong places I could go with this...


6,454 posted on 05/12/2006 5:00:52 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: kosta50; Full Court

Speaking of animals, don't feed the trolls.


6,455 posted on 05/12/2006 5:01:36 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Corin Stormhands; Dr. Eckleburg; annalex; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; ...

At my last duty station in Germany, the mess hall would server soul food every Thursday night.

They had the absolute best collards I've ever tasted.....small diced bits of fried ham and slightly crunchy chopped collards.

I went every Thursday and at nothing but the greens. Never found any anyplace else that came even slightly close.


6,456 posted on 05/12/2006 5:01:58 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; annalex; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; fortheDeclaration; ..
"Vegetable soul"???

It's a comfort to know the "Veggietales" made it to heaven.


6,457 posted on 05/12/2006 5:02:55 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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To: xzins; Dr. Eckleburg
Never found any anyplace else that came even slightly close.

Come to Richmond. I know a place.

6,458 posted on 05/12/2006 5:03:14 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: kosta50

Funny, both the Jews before and in David's day knew that God was God of the living, not of the dead. Matthew 22:32 teaches, as usual from the Old Testament, Exodus 3:6, 15, and David wrote Psalm 16:10, and Psalm 6:5.


6,459 posted on 05/12/2006 5:05:04 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: kosta50; 1000 silverlings
Nonsense! The Jews did/do not have a concept of Christian heaven and hell.

Act 23:6-8 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, "Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!" As he said this, there occurred a dissension between the Pharisees and Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor an angel, nor a spirit, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all.

6,460 posted on 05/12/2006 5:06:22 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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