Posted on 01/01/2006 4:48:03 PM PST by HarleyD
"Exactly so: and I ask, has Eckleburg preached another Jesus?"
Sure, "double predestination" among others, but I suspect that as a Calvinist, she would deny that there are 7 scaraments, that the Church is defined as the bishop surrounded by his clergy and laity centering on the Eucharist which is the true and actual Body and Blood of Christ, that the Most Holy Theotokos was perpetually a virgin, that the Holy Spirit proceeds only from the Father, that the veneration of icons is an appropriate practice for Christians. Indeed, I suspect she would deny the Incarnation, at least as understood and taught by The Church, and its actual effect on mankind. I don't think I'll both to go any further. These and other matters have been discussed ad nauseum for over 1200 hundred posts. This is a futile exercise, one which proves the wisdom of +John Chrysostoms' advice, no matter which side of this debate one might find oneself. About the only good I can see coming out of all of this is the remarkable expression of unity shown by the Orthodox and Latins here. I'll bow out now.
The point was not the definition of heretic, catholic or otherwise.
The point was D. insisted no one used the term, heretic, to describe anyone in this discussion.
He was proven wrong.
But has Eckleburg preached a new Gospel? Has she preached another Jesus? Or is her, and our guilt, in your eyes, from not following Catholic dogma? There's a verse in the bible: Teacher, they are not following us. What did Jesus say about that?I posted the definition of heretic, which is a person who rejects the dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church. If you are now telling me that you accept the dogmas of the Catholic Church, I rejoice.
Oh, I think a lot of good stuff has come out of this discussion.
Lots.
The point was not the definition of heretic, catholic or otherwise.The point was D. insisted no one used the term, heretic, to describe anyone in this discussion.
He was proven wrong.
I apologize. I thought somebody was taking offense at being called a heretic.
lol, sorry, turn off the bubble machine
Lok I don't know anything about you, but apparently love did not appeal to you. I would say that perhaps it has to do with the fact that you went from one man-made church to another, but not to the Church established by our Lord.
You believe in a book that the Church created for you, after paintsakingly searching and studying some 200 plus texts that were in circulation, of which only 29 were selcted as inspired. Obviously the Church did not know its Scripture! But you do! Much better than the Church.
You are part of a group that believes that each and every one of you the right interpretor of Scripture, yet not a single one of you agrees fully with each other. For a people who say all you have to do is read the Bible, the Protestants sure write an awful lot of books about the Bible! Why, when the Protestants claim that even children can understand Scripture?! Hmmmm.
But, while kind of love can you find in a group that teaches self-interpretation as the alpha and the omega of faith? I would say self-love, my friend. It's sad that it took you 30 years to discover that there was no love (or perhaps not enough hate) in your Armeinian assembly. Now you find love in a Church that predestines people to death, to damnation, and to hell simply because they are superfluous creatures of God.
That's sad. May God open your heart.
"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." -- Matthew 5:11
You can't read. You failed to notice the word "visible" and drew a conclusion about the elect being limited to that. And you put the "club" language into his mouth and then you use it as if he had agreed to it.
And then you have the nerve to tell me I need to learn to read. You read but you have no comprehension--like the Ethiopian Eunuch--but he was smart enough to know he didn't understand. You aren't. And the Ethiopian Eunuch is in Scripture verses so don't give me any more of this "ain't got no Scripture" business.
I know dozens of Roman Catholics who take Communion who reject some dogma of the Roman Catholic church?
Are they heretics?
Very good! Which verses in Isaiah was he reading at the time?
Just about every posting from you guys is filled with this sort of distortion of what we say.
Laying aside dogma, does Eckleburg preach a different Jesus than Paul? Yes or no?
Thank you for your apology. That shows character."Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." -- Matthew 5:11
No problem.
"My brothers, if anyone among you should stray from the truth and someone bring him back, he should know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."--James 5:19-20
You guys need to get your stories straight -- again.
Bohemund just defined all who do not accept Roman Catholic dogma as "heretics."
I think you're talking to the wrong guy.
lol.
I know dozens of Roman Catholics who take Communion who reject some dogma of the Roman Catholic church?Are they heretics?
I don't know if they are heretics, incredulists, apostates or schismatics:
Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."
Please see 1259 and its link to the Catechism for a fuller treatment of the varieties of sins against faith.
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