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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50

""If you consider the consequences of Husar's "Patriarchate," it becomes obvious that in your scenario the RCC is shooting herself in the foot; in mine, I see a state using Husar as a "stick." Which one is more realistic and transparant -- and likely?"

Kosta, it goes without saying that Rome shoots itself in the foot vis a vis reunion with Orthodoxy if Lubomyr creates a "Patriarchate" and Rome remains in communion with him, unless, as I said, the real goal is the advancement of Uniatism."

I think the answers to these questions will turn out to be much more prosaic than you imagine. The motivations for the developments in Ukraine are as much about Ukrainian nationalism and the price of Gazprom's gas exports as they are about any grand ecclesiastical conspiracy. It is the final exorcism of soviet communist oppression which is at the heart of +Lubomyr's manoeuvrings.

Unfortunately, Rome is about to be faced with a dilemma not of its own making and the Pope will require the wisdom of Solomon to extricate her from it.


40 posted on 01/01/2006 4:20:01 AM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo

"The motivations for the developments in Ukraine are as much about Ukrainian nationalism and the price of Gazprom's gas exports as they are about any grand ecclesiastical conspiracy. "

Ethnophyletism. One would have thought I'd have seen that one staring me in the face, considering Greeks pretty much invented it in the modern era! :)

Happy New Year, Deacon!


41 posted on 01/01/2006 4:36:34 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Tantumergo; Kolokotronis
The motivations for the developments in Ukraine are as much about Ukrainian nationalism and the price of Gazprom's gas exports as they are about any grand ecclesiastical conspiracy

It's not an ecclesiastical conspiracy; it's an ecclesiastical policy, Father Deacon. And, from a practical point of view, a good one because it has Plan A (preferred) and Plan B (spare tire).

The Vatican has no desires to shoot itself in the foot; it has a desire to unite all Christians, first among them the other half of the One Holy, catholic and Apostolic Church. It will try to do that with a carrot or with a stick, or both. Simple politics. :-)

43 posted on 01/01/2006 6:44:54 AM PST by kosta50 (what does he mean "the head of Christ is God" (1 Cor 11:3) ?????)
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