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To: I Believe It's Not Butter; ninenot; sittnick
Like the matter of SSPX, this is NOT a property dispute. It IS a revolution against duly constituted ecclesiastical authority in the persons of former St. Louis Archbishop Justin Rigali, now the cardinal/archbishop of Philadelphia and Archbishop Raymond Burke. They, not some rebel parish trustees, are in charge. The archbishop withdrew his clergy when the local yokels at St. Stanislaus Kostka began practicing an old error known as "trusteeism" with which Rome is well familiar. We are the Roman Catholic Church and not the Congregational Church. We are also not some glib debating society.

It is my personal hope that St. Stanislaus Kostka be suppressed as a parish and the civil owners of the building can turn it into a Polish heritage center or a Ronald McDonald playground or a parking lot or a playhouse or an athletic club, anything but a Church purporting to be Catholic while they are in rebellion.

Perhaps it can be taken by eminent domain, a la Kelo vs. New London, by St. Louis municipal authorities and sold by the community to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of St. Louis. The rebel trustees get 2/3 of the value of the property to set up a Polish museum, the archbishop gets a discount and Catholicism is restored to St. Stanislaus Kostka.

Do you have an opinion as to the rebel Polish priest, formerly incardinated in the diocese of Springfield-Cape Girardeau, now suspended by his own bishop, opposed by the clerical authorities of his native land of Poland, and having NO FACULTIES from the Archdiocese of St. Louis where he purports to be a pastor??? I do. He should be permanently barred from the priesthood anywhere.

I can tell how much respect you have for ecclesiastical authority by your reference to one of our very finest and most orthodox clerics, Archbishop Raymond Burke, as a "rat."

Do you happen to be Catholic or is this none of your business? SSPX is NOT Catholic. The excommunicati of St. Stanislaus Kostka cannot very well "stay in communion with the Church." Excommunication means that they are outtta here! Don't hold your breath waiting for the Vatican to side with "parishioners" who spit on diocesan ordinaries.

As to your own personal interpretation of Scripture (YOPIOS), namely of John 10:27: The miscreants of St. Stanislaus Kostka are NOT Archbishop Burke's "sheep" but Satan's, by their own personal choice.

99 posted on 12/20/2005 11:28:27 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

What's wrong with having people build their church and pray in it? Why was it all OK for 120 years and is not OK for Burke? Why are you anti-Polish? Poland is a large, predominantly Catholic, country with almost as many Catholics as there are in the USA. Are they worse Catholics than any other ethnic minority in America?

You do not know much about the history of the Polish National Catholic Church in the USA. It revolved around parish property and the power-grab of Irish and German US Bishops. This story here is replay of it 120 years later. Only that the PNCC is not schismatic anymore.

When you look at all details of it you will realize that Burke abused his authority. This "excommunication" stunt may extend his stay in the Purgatory and will certainly not help his beatification. The smart move for the parish would be to join the PNCC.


101 posted on 12/20/2005 4:25:14 PM PST by I Believe It's Not Butter
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