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SOLITAS: Your opinion as to the adequacy of the explanation and of the reinforcement of the decisions and actions of these excommunicated scismatics will become relevant just as soon as you become the Roman Catholic Archbishop of St. Louis or pope, neither of which seem overly likely on the record to date.

The opinions of the excommunicated schismatics of St. Stanislaus Kostka may become vaguely admissible if and when, after appropriate penance and humiliation, any or all have been readmitted to membership in the Roman Catholic Church. Unless and until that has occurred they have become the ecclesiastical equivalent of the Union Band Church of Jesus Christ Fire Baptized. They are outside the Church. God gave them free will to use or abuse. They chose to abuse. Perhaps they will repent. Perhaps not.

As to another of your posts, I certainly am an intolerant person as I should be and as you should be. I am intolerant of abortion, intolerant of homosexuality, intolerant of theological error (expressing myself on the subject usually only when the Roman Catholic Church is attacked by outsiders), intolerant of schismatic opinion, intolerant of the actions of excommunicati. We Catholics are admonished by the Roman Catholic Church to hate the sin and love the sinner.

You are overly sensitive. If you rely upon the understandable defense that a public forum welcomes the opinions of all within its rules, you are correct. No one suggested disciplining you in any way. I cannot imagine such a disciline here since the proprietor is himself a non-Catholic Christian. Likewise, I am free to tell you that this Catholic and other Catholics are not interested in your theological speculations as to how the Roman Catholic Church might best be governed in line with your idiosyncratic imaginings of the meaning of Scripture. You have no horse in this race and, as a non-Catholic, no standing to argue.

As Catholics require a higher degree of qualification and authority (apostolic succession, thepapacy, the Teaching Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church) than some often (The New, Incredibly New, New Good News!!!! Bible or whatever in lieu of the magnificent King James Bible, even though it is not Catholic) chalk on a blackboard translation of Scripture and a few reading lessons, what can we gain by listening to outsiders as to Church internal governance????? We don't listen to us on this subject. Whyever would we listen to you??????

I try not to stick my Catholic nose into the affairs of non-Catholic churches. Vicki Gene as an Episcopalian bishop; the Rev. Mr. Jimmy Swaggert in trouble on moral grounds; whatever, unless the misbehavior is an attack on the Roman Catholic Church. All members of mankind (save Jesus Christ and Mary) are sinners whether popes, cardinals (Law and Mahoney and the late Bernardin, for three examples), archbishops, bishops, priests, ministers, rabbis, nuns, husbands, wives, kids and old folks, the living and the dead. I have enough to concern me as to bad behavior in Catholicism to keep me too busy to worry about the problems of the internal governance of your church, whatever it may be.

You will note that I have not accepted or incorporated herein criticisms of you made by others here. I don't know you or your prior track record here. I assume you to be a person of good will who means well and has been found rooting around in the underwear drawer of the Roman Catholic Faith which you do not share, and probably for what you assume to be our own Catholic good.

Many non-Catholics are strong allies of Catholics in matters of public policy and vice versa. Good manners dictate that we respectively mind our own business as to one another's churches. Accordingly, I ping the LCMS Redgolum and the UCC Jim Noble and the ELCA TonyRo to witness this post.

Finally, there may be several meanings of catholic. We are obviously NOT discussing the common term for universal but rather we ARE discussing the specific term for the Roman Catholic Church.

To: Most but not All

Did. You. Even. Read. Some. Of. The. News. Articles. On. Their. Site?
http://www.saveststans.org/latestNews.html
http://www.saveststans.org/St_Stanislaus_Deed.html
http://www.saveststans.org/history.html
http://www.saveststans.org/FAQ.html

Apparently Wojtyla Himself has even been there.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Asaveststans.org+Wojtyla&btnG=Google+Search

And a rough search of the St.Louis Post Dispatch's site shows nothing in the way of retractions, omissions, or errors relating to "kostka", so One may assume their reporting to-date has been accurate, or at least uncontested.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Astltoday.com+kostka

A very good thumbnail history is given at http://www.saveststans.org/news_10_04_04.html and if any of you read nothing else, read this page.

Then you may choose to continue in a black-is-white mindset. I'm outta here - no offense: you're all (as am I) just a bunch of words/characters on a screen and some b=w debates just aren't worth it after a certain point.