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To: wagglebee

Yep. For Mary to have the same freedom of choice as Eve, she had to be as free from original sin as Eve. IMHO. And backed by many, many of the Church Fathers.


64 posted on 12/05/2005 6:49:13 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Pray the First Sorrowful Mystery
"These stories of Jesus tell us not to give up -- even when things are very bad. God will help us through; God will make us strong enough to go on."

The Agony of Jesus in the Garden

Our Father

They came to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, "Sit here while I pray." He took Peter, James and John with him. (Mark 14,32-33)
Hail Mary

Distress and anguish came over him and he said to them, "The sorrow in my heart is so great that it almost crushes me. Stay here and keep watch." (Mark 14,34)
Hail Mary

The Agony of Jesus in the GardenHe went a little farther on, threw himself on the ground, and prayed that, if possible, he might not have to go through that time of suffering. (Mark 14, 35)
Hail Mary

"Father," he prayed, "my Father. All things are possible for you. Take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet not what I want, but what you want." (Mark 14, 36)
Hail Mary

Then he returned and found the three disciples asleep. He said to Peter, "Simon, are you asleep? Weren't you able to stay awake for even one hour?" (Mark 14, 37)
Hail Mary

And he said to them, "Keep watch, and pray that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." (Luke 14, 38)
Hail Mary

He went away once more and prayed, saying the same words. The he came back to the disciples and found them asleep; they could not keep their eyes open. (Mark 14,39)
Hail Mary

When he came back the third time, he said to them, "Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come! Look the Son of Man is now being handed over to the power of sinners." (Mark 14,41)
Hail Mary

Jesus was still speaking when Judas, one of the twelve disciples, arrived. With him was a crowd armed with swords and clubs... (Mark14,43)
Hail Mary

As soon as Judas arrived, he went up to Jesus and said,"Teacher!" and kissed him. So they arrested Jesus and held him tight. (Mark 14,45)
Hail Mary

Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever. Amen.


66 posted on 12/05/2005 6:50:47 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

It is also consistent with what ALL of the major protestant reformers (Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Wesley) believed and taught.


73 posted on 12/05/2005 6:53:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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