Posted on 11/15/2005 1:50:24 PM PST by NYer
I know many Catholic former Anglicans, but the only Anglican former Catholics I know either married into an Episcopal family or wound up attending an Episcopal church after falling away from Christianity altogether at one point.
For example, I know one guy who was raised Catholic who left Christianity for agnosticism and later dated and decided to live with a Jewish girl.
Her parents were not happy about the cohabitation and eventual intermarriage.
She turned her back on Judaism and he turned his back on Catholicism, but they both considered themselves "spiritual people, not religious people" and wanted to have a ritual, not a government, wedding.
They decided to try out the liberalminded Episcopal church down the block. The Episcopal clergyman didn't care about their cohabiting or their lack of belief in Christ's divinity so they got married at his church and still go there several times a year for Christmas, Easter, etc.
Sounds like one of my best friends from high school and her husband. He's a lapsed Catholic, she's a usetobe Methodist, neither has any faith, but they attend the Episcopal Church for holidays because it's Aesthetically Pleasing.
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You have to give these reporters credit for taking a whack at this, though they invariably get the details wrong. The Traditional Anglican Communion is not officially part of the Anglican Communion. The TAC has entered into exploratory discussions with the Vatican regarding establishing communion with the Holy See as a uniate church, sui juris. This would not expand the Anglican use, it would establish an Anglican Rite. It would, in theory anyway, not affect talks between Rome and the "official" Anglican Communion.
"'Changing your spots makes the Anglican Church more liberal and the Roman Catholic Church more conservative,' Bishop Flack said."
For us Catholics, what's the downside?
My experience has been with Catholics joining our ECUSA parish because they divorced but wished to continue receiving the sacraments. There are other couples that joined because one was Catholic, one was some Protestant denomination, and they sought out the ECUSA as a middle ground. In all these cases all of them had been regular churchgoers and had not lapsed prior to joining the ECUSA. Nor were they seeking somewhere where they could drop belief in Christ's divinity or to further "the homosexual agenda".
Are these friends of yours? May I recommend a good book to give them as a Christmas present?
PS - pick up an extra copy for yourself :-)
Okay ... if I am understanding you correctly, the establishment of a "uniate" church ( a term most reviled by the Eastern Catholic Churches but sanctioned by the Orthodox), would allow it to function with its own bishops, cardinals, etc. Is that correct? This would, like the Eastern Catholic Churches, also entail reviews and possible corrections to the present liturgy, in order to bring it into accord with the Magisterium. Is that correct? And, if so, where do those discussions now stand? What about the 'female' priests? Where do they fit into this model?
Assuming it follows the present model ... none. I tend to believe that there is far more at issue here. Many of these discussions began before the ECUSA elevation of Vicki Gene Robinson as bishop, thus endorsing his lifestyle. It doesn't fit the Catholic model and surely had an effect on the discussions. There is and can never be room for doctrinal changes such as this, in the Catholic Church.
Thanks for the rec. I own it and love it. Good idea that - passing it on to them.
I assume you mean remarried Catholics. I confess that there are as yet no divorcees in my immediate circle of acquaintances. Me and my extended group of friends and acquaintances have only seen one divorce so far and that one was gladly sanctioned by the Catholic Church.
I can remember going to a KofC function where Mass was said prior to what we were doing. The priest came from an Anglican use parish - none of us were able to follow along...and he became quite agitated when we responded to familiar parts of the liturgy with our "normal" responses.
"What happens to dialog?" Nothing. You don't DO theology by dialog. Dialog is the problem.
Not hard at all. To the arriving Anglicans: "Welcome home." To the departing Romans: "Don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out."
I remain not at all comfortable with the "Anglican Use" parishes. There's something really odd about a married priest who has kids.>>
Tell that to the priest at the Byzantine Rite down the street. His wife would give you an earful....
I'm all for a married priesthood. They'd all at least be, ahem, HETERO.....
That pretty much sums up the problem with the Anglican church. Once Christian, now openly pagan.
Correct, though there aren't cardinals in the Anglican hierarchy.
... entail reviews and possible corrections to the present liturgy, in order to bring it into accord with the Magisterium. Is that correct?
Yes, though I don't think there would be much correcting required. Each of the TAC member churches uses a liturgy that is derived from the Sarum (or Salisbury) rite that was widely used in England before the reformation. There would, I'm sure, be some modifications
where do those discussions now stand? What about the 'female' priests? Where do they fit into this model?
It would be premature to describe them as anything other than the term I used, exploratory discussions. I believe that Cardinal Ratzinger had been personally involved in the discussions prior to John Paul II's death. I do know that the discussions are continuing.
TAC churches reject the innovation of "female priests." They don't believe women can be priests. That is the main reason that the TAC is not part of the official Anglican Communion.
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