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To: outlawjake
would like your take on my take of scientology..

OK...

First david Miscavige has to go.. he is causing the group a ton of problems with his policies and behaviour..

Agreed. Much of the policy comes from Ron, and much of that isn't all that great, but the ways the policies are applied and the style of management do make a big difference.

the sea org.. has to be gotten rid of or completely reworked... Maybe it will cost them some money.. but maybe just have regular paid scientologists.. who live in their own place with benefits etc.. it will cost them money but in the long run the money they pay will be worth it in the bad pr it saves.. not to mention all the money they pay to dicredit people who leave the sea org would be saved..

This would be difficult, it would be the rough equivalent of firing the entire Vatican staff.

then again.. if david miscavige was fired.. then maybe they could just rework the policies of the sea org.. and they could save it by reworking and eliminating those bad policies..

This would also be difficult. They are pretty much stuck with any actual LRH policy. The only saving grace is that one has considerable flexibility in which policies the organization focuses on. There is also some flexibility on the interpretations of the policy, but Study Tech restricts that quite a bit.

next.. would say.. elimination of attacking critics.. again.. look at the big picture.. cost/benefit analysis.. they anger the people who are attacked and they make lifelong enemies.. and all the people who hear about the attacks on the critics are turned off.. and also become enemies..

Not quite. Critics do need to be addressed. BUT, BUT, Scientology's only per policy option is to attack attack attack any critic. This is a guaranteed recipe for converting anyone from having a misunderstanding of what scientology is into a a life long enemy fighting for their very life. Most of scientology's enemies started out as someone who was concerned with parking or noise in their neighborhoods should a church occupy that vacant building on the corner, or some such.

a new poll in 2008 for the first time declared that atheists were no longer the least popular group as scientolgists beat them out.. they are badly losing the pr war..

Hey even atheist need someone to look down on...

next would be disconnection policy.. this again causes a lot of the frustration with the group... if the beliefs of the people in scientology are based on the truth.. then the people in it should be able to withstand criticism.. and make their reasoned arguments to support their view.. and not have to cut people out of their lives.. especially family members..

Every group has a way of disfellowshipping, exiling, excommunicating banishing or shunning unwanted members. Scientology does tend to over do it, though.

They need to work more on people getting a tougher skin and arguments for their truth rather than disconnecting...

Bingo. Amen. Right-on. Word.

psychiatric medicine.. this is tough one for them as it is basically a cornerstone of their belief system.. perhaps they should just avoid taking in any people who have serious mental health problems.. and when ones develop... encourage them to take a break..

Can't quite do that. Scientology claims to be the only ones with the real keys to mental illness.

What they can do is recognize that psychiatry has made a lot of progress since the 1940s and 50s era of lobotomies and electroshock, and that there are good hearted psychiatrists and psychologists who sincerely want to help their clients.

They also need to apply the same paradigm to mental illness as to physical illness - there are physical and spiritual components to mental illness. Medication and surgery should be regarded as an adjunct to Scientology counseling and training.

all other instances.. people should be taking advice from their Dr. including neurological conditions.. which should be the practice if it is not now.. and there shouldn’t be any stigma for people taking psychiatric medication for neurological conditions..

As you say.

finally is price.. they are free to charge what they want.. but just from a business perspective.. think they lose a lot of money by the insane prices they charge for some of their material..

When the prices starting going up (only a little, just 10% PER MONTH) I commented that eventually there would only be one person on earth able to afford it, and when they got upset with the church we'd have to close our doors...

More to the point, scientology's stated goal is 'to clear the planet'. They're planning on doing this when a hour of processing costs more than most people on earth make in a lifetime? How???

ok.. here is more advice i just thought of.. again with pr.. they have to have people who go on tv and don’t lie.. they can not go on and say they have never heard of xenu when their members who are watching that saying.. what do you mean.. and literature online from the course and l ron hubbards own words that talk about xenu.. and complete denial of other things that are true..

Oddly enough, per policy, advertising is NEVER supposed to lie NEVER EVER. The art of promotion is finding acceptable and attractive truths. It seems to be a lost art.

another thing.. is that once i found out that according to census data there are only about 55,000 member in the U.S. i felt more sympathy for their position as i feel they are harming less people.. so I am not sure claims of ten million members are smart either..

It's all in the way you do the count. Mostly the church counts anyone who bought a book at any Scientology facility or ever took a single class as a Scientologist. There are few things on earth more difficult than getting off of a Scientology mailing list!

seems to me that there may be some sort of decent stuff in the mind training.. as a lot of people claim good results.. and found some of the things like auditing similar to some stuff i have heard from Anthony Robbins..

Yeah. I've had excellent results and permanent improvements in several aspects of my life. Too bad the tech is wedded to a fundamentally flawed organization.

I also believe that the gains made in the lower levels are more than offset by the harm done in the upper (OT III and above) levels.

If they would focus on that in a way like Anthony Robbins does or did (haven’t heard from him in awhile).. they would be far better off..

Never heard of him. I'll check him out.

294 posted on 01/12/2009 11:34:15 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama, now that you've caught the car, what are you going to do with it, hmmm?)
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To: null and void

thanks for your reply...

I am thinking then maybe they should just throw in the towel.. and sell his books and training.. take the only thing positive about it.. and sell that..


298 posted on 01/14/2009 4:56:09 PM PST by outlawjake
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