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To: mike182d

To say that the gates of Hell will not prevail over the Church is to say that In The End, GOD wins. Not that the Church will sail through history unmolested. Popes have acknowledged the need for reform from time to time as a remedy for dreeping secularism. Here we have a reform that embraces secularism and it shows. Christ, whom we all claim as Lord said that you CAN judge a tree by its fruit. Yet when we listen to Him and judge accordingly, you say No, no, ignore that or we are somehow wrong for obeying Christ in this regard. When Christ's words are changed from "for many" to "for all", one has to wonder why the Words of Christ have been changed? Is that seriously Guarding the deposit of Faith?


55 posted on 10/14/2005 9:20:32 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Benedicamus Domino.)
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To: TradicalRC
To say that the gates of Hell will not prevail over the Church is to say that In The End, GOD wins. Not that the Church will sail through history unmolested.

I would not be too comfortable with that line of reasoning because all that means is that everything the Church teaches could be in error right now, just as long as in the End, Christ comes back and sets us straight.

We need some sort of surety in the present moment that what we believe is 100% correct, not just the hope that Christ will fix everything in the End. That eliminates all trust in His Church altogether.
65 posted on 10/14/2005 9:35:30 AM PDT by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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