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To: topcat54; xzins

Now you're simply being dishonest and delusional, again like a Roman Catholic. And again like with Roman Catholics, I wish you'd just be honest, admit you've got a decoder ring that enables you to see things that NONE of the original readers could POSSIBLY have seen.

But no, you've got your loyalties elsewhere than in Scripture. Which is why it's pointless to talk to you.

xzins, bro -- why do you waste your time?

Dan


81 posted on 09/20/2005 8:41:09 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

It's an opportunity to explore the ideas of preterism and become conversant with them. It also forces me to respond to the history and scripture that gets presented.

I need that kickstart. It helps me keep my bible skills sharp.

It is one of the reasons I like discussing the calvinist stuff with you and others like you.....who treat the bible the same as I do in an eschatological discussion.

Your treatment of eschatology gives me confidence in the fairness of your treatment of election. Even though I have differences, I've made changes.


82 posted on 09/20/2005 8:48:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: BibChr; xzins
Now you're simply being dishonest and delusional, again like a Roman Catholic.

Thanks for the ad hominem thought.

95 posted on 09/20/2005 10:09:39 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: BibChr
Now you're simply being dishonest and delusional, again like a Roman Catholic. And again like with Roman Catholics, I wish you'd just be honest, admit you've got a decoder ring that enables you to see things that NONE of the original readers could POSSIBLY have seen.

Interesting. Which JEWISH reader of the Hebrew Scriptures also sees the OBVIOUS interpretations that Christians see into them? The only reason why Christians read the Scriptures the way we do regarding the OT is that we base them on the paradigm that they are speaking of Christ. But reading the Scriptures without this notion do NOT make the Scriptures "obviously" pointing to Christ.

Thus, a Jew can ask YOU the same question regarding your "decoder ring". NO original reader of the Hebrew Scriptures read that the Messiah would be born of a virgin woman, for example...

We read the Scriptures based on the teachings given to us from the Apostles, not by reading them outside of the Church's passed down teachings. This becomes clear when you read the very first orthodox Christians in their battle against the Gnostics.

Regards

113 posted on 09/20/2005 11:16:07 AM PDT by jo kus
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