[NYer]

Oh this is too rich. Because someone doesn't accept that the pope revealed the complete third secret,( or did the consecration ) of a private revelation that no one is even required to believe as a Catholic, means that person has "defective Catholicity, intellectualism, and [is]disobedient."

In April 2002 Dr. Frederick T. Zugibe visited Sister Lucia and asked her personally if the consecration had been accomplished. She looked him in the eye and said: "It was done! The Holy Father willed it. It was done and you can tell your friends that it was done."

Essentially, Fr. Kramer is calling Sr. Lucia a liar. That is defective Catholicity, regardless of whether one is required to believe in the apparition.

[bornacatholic]

Schismatics really think the Popes are liars and heretics and minions of satan. In that they are worse than most So.Baptists

[murphE]

Essentially, Fr. Kramer is calling Sr. Lucia a liar. That is defective Catholicity, regardless of whether one is required to believe in the apparition.

Essentially, if that is the only conclusion that you believe can be made, all I see is defective logic here.

[vox_freedom]

Essentially, Fr. Kramer is calling Sr. Lucia a liar.

Untrue. Fr. Kramer, and many others, call into question the veracity of Dr. Zugibe's alleged "quote" and the credibiity of the translator in this instance. See the following article with footnotes and supporting documentation at:

New Fatima, for a New Church