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To: TradicalRC
You have defined something that is not a dogma or doctrine as dogma or doctrine.

Really? Where?

Quo Primum is not dogma. You insist that it is.

One cannot set oneself up as equal in teaching authority to the pope, can one? Yet you have, have you not?

No and No.

If you assert that Quo Primum is dogma, you assume greater authority than the pope, who, by his approval of the new rite (in union, in fact, with the bishops of the Church at Vatican II), has de facto revealed his teaching that it is not dogma or doctrine. So you either declare your authority to be greater than the pope's, or you declare someone else's authority to be greater than the pope's who has this erroneous opinion. You have set yourself up as having superior authority than the pope. If you did not assert that, we would not be having this discussion: you would humbly obey the pope.

But you are not obeying the pope: you are disobeying the pope with your public and scandalous support of SSPX. It is one way or the other. Only in the disordered mind of one who wants to be a Catholic, but who cannot submit to papal teaching authority, can this contradiction exist.

First, I did not say that he doesn't have authority in these matters

Then obey him and withdraw support from SSPX.

It is not I who engage in ad hominem attack:

"Oh, I also dogpiled Father Paul Kramer and discovered he is one of the Fatime third-secret conspiracy advocates. It just figures." -TheGeezer, Post 214

Of course not.

John Paul the Great affirmed the Fatima secrets publication. He confirmed the dedication of Russia to the Blessed Virgin. Fr. Kramer disavows and contradicts those affirmations, revealing his defective Catholicity, intellectualism, and disobedience. He contaminates his discourse with emotion and illogical, circumstantial argument. His defects are a trademark of the antipapal paranoia that afflicts those who haunt the SSPX heresies. It only figures that he would be a part of the whole package. That is not ad hominem; it is hyperbole at worst and the truth at best.

315 posted on 09/21/2005 5:58:11 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: TheGeezer; TradicalRC
John Paul the Great affirmed the Fatima secrets publication. He confirmed the dedication of Russia to the Blessed Virgin. Fr. Kramer disavows and contradicts those affirmations, revealing his defective Catholicity, intellectualism, and disobedience.

Oh this is too rich. Because someone doesn't accept that the pope revealed the complete third secret,( or did the consecration ) of a private revelation that no one is even required to believe as a Catholic, means that person has "defective Catholicity, intellectualism, and [is]disobedient."

That makes sense. [roll eyes]

316 posted on 09/21/2005 6:13:53 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: TheGeezer
John Paul the Great affirmed the Fatima secrets publication. He confirmed the dedication of Russia to the Blessed Virgin.


317 posted on 09/21/2005 6:15:22 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: TheGeezer
Quo Primum is not dogma. You insist that it is.

Pope Pius V seems to treat it so.

If you assert that Quo Primum is dogma, you assume greater authority than the pope, who, by his approval of the new rite (in union, in fact, with the bishops of the Church at Vatican II), has de facto revealed his teaching that it is not dogma or doctrine.

Are you saying that Vatican II was a dogmatic council, in spite of the fact that John XXIII AND Paul VI said explicitly that it was NOT? Now who's setting themselves up as a greater authority than the Popes?

318 posted on 09/21/2005 9:17:22 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Benedicamus Domino.)
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