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To: bornacatholic; murphE
Y'all have been asked repeatedly to source the Magisterial Teaching the Jews as a race are cursed. Y'all have failed.

Y'all have not asked we'all for any such thing. We'all never said the Church ever taught such a thing as doctrine. Our'alls point was that if the Church never said St. Alphonsus deviated from Church teaching for believing in this curse, then y'all have no right to condemn as heretics anyone who might see things as St. Alphonsus saw them.

Y'all appear to operate under the error of thinking all personal opinons of saints are Doctrine and that no saint could ever have possibly written or thought something contrary to Tradition.

So's ya'll are sayin' that St. Alphonsus wrote and thought contrary to Tradition. The Church has never said any such thing about St. Alphonsus. Ya'll have proved time and time again that yer judgments and knowledge on most thangs Church ain't so hot. So if someone wants to share St. Alphonsus' opinion on the matter, ya'll can't come along and shout "Heretic!" just cuz ya'll don't like what's bein' said and who might be sayin' it.

Y'all have been exposed as subscribing to the SSPX heresy the Jews as a race are cursed so it is up to y'all to prove your belief is consistent with Catholic Teaching.

And ya'll are a hypocritical coward - So quick to pin ye olde "heretic antisemite" label on the Society but avoiding yer arm-chair declaration of St. Alphonsus' heresy for speaking the same thang simply because it would expose ya'll for the ignoramus ya'll are.
272 posted on 09/20/2005 1:29:47 PM PDT by sempertrad ("You call this a multi-media event? This is a slide projector and a bedsheet!" - A. Asparagus)
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To: sempertrad
*Y'all have been asked repeatedly to source the Magisterial Teaching the Jews as a race are cursed. Y'all have failed.

Y'all have not asked we'all for any such thing.

* Yeah, I have. Post #192, among others.

274 posted on 09/20/2005 2:13:54 PM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: sempertrad; bornacatholic
Our'alls point was that if the Church never said St. Alphonsus deviated from Church teaching for believing in this curse, then y'all have no right to condemn as heretics anyone who might see things as St. Alphonsus saw them.

Believing that the Jews are a cursed race is not heretical. However, it is a minority interpretation of Sacred Scripture that was eventually rejected by the Church. No Catholic should hold it because "the rest of the things which the sacred Council sets forth, since they are the teaching of the Church's supreme magisterium, ought to be accepted and embraced by each and every one of Christ's faithful according to the mind of the sacred Council" (Declaration of the Theological Commission of Vatican II, March 6, 1964) and since "the Council ... provided us teaching with the authority of the ordinary Magisterium, which must be accepted with docility" (Pope Paul VI, General Audience, Jan 12, 1966). This does not mean that St. Alphonsus was a heretic, or worthy of censure, any more than the definition of the Immaculate Conception by Bl. Pius IX made Sts. Thomas and Bernard heretics.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ; still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. (NA §4)

277 posted on 09/20/2005 4:22:44 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Let us ask the Lord with tears, that according to his will so he would shew his mercy to us Jud 8:17)
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