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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD

"Accordingly, all civil government is simply organized sadomasochism, until changed by the gospel."

Paul says something different in Romans 13:1, and the Roman government at that time was as cruel and capricious, if not more so, than what we in see in most governments today.

"Ah, the wonders of common grace!! Let's see. Millions of wives forced to immolate themselves on the funereal pyres of their husbands. Millions of babies put in baskets to be eaten alive by ants as an act of worship. Child prostitution as national industries. You gotta love it! Why would anyone want Biblical law when you can have common grace?"

Are you suggesting we substitute "God's benevolence" for "common grace" here? Looks like Jordan is trying to hoard a word rather than use it to explain God's nature.

BTW, he sure is a pessimistic preterist, just an observation.


15 posted on 09/09/2005 11:12:25 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; HarleyD; topcat54; strongbow; Frumanchu; Gamecock
From the following excellent link:

WHAT IS THEONOMY?

"So theonomy teaches that civil rulers are morally obligated to enforce those laws of Christ, found throughout the Scriptures, which are addressed to magistrates (as well as to refrain from coercion in areas where God has not prescribed their intervention). As Paul wrote in Romans 13:1-10, magistrates -- even the secular rulers of Rome -- are obligated to conduct their offices as "ministers of God," avenging God's wrath (compare 13:4 with 12:19) against criminal evil-doers. They will give an account on the Final Day of their service before the King of kings, their Creator and Judge. Christian involvement in politics calls for recognition of God's transcendent, absolute, revealed law as a standard by which to judge all social codes and political policies. The Scottish theologian, William Symington, well said: "It is the duty of nations, as subjects of Christ, to take his law as their rule. They are apt to think enough that they take, as their standard of legislation and administration, human reason, natural conscience, public opinion or political expediency. None of these, however, nor indeed all of them together, can supply a sufficient guide in affairs of state" (Messiah the Prince, p. 234). "

18 posted on 09/09/2005 12:29:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (Steven Wright: "So what's the speed of dark?")
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